Should Ron Paul go campaign in Europe?

[RonRules]

How bout 3 days in STATES THAT CAN VOTE

We HAVE been doing that for 1 year, and frankly, it's NOT working.

It's NOT working, not because of Ron Paul, but because we are not getting our share of free publicity like the other candidates have. The press will have no choice but to cover this.

I live near Disneyland and meet tourists all the time. Last weekend at a sign waving a guy from Canada and a guy from Germany knew about Ron Paul and were big supporters. Why did these guys know about Ron Pau? Because the PRESS in EUROPE talks about Ron Paul. Check out the BBC here, they cover Ron Paul

Sure European can't vote, THAT'S NOT THE POINT! It's a free WORLDWIDE news conduit to help spread the message.

This is HUGE folks. For the cost of ONE DAY of Blimping !

 

[Dutch_in_Hanoi]

No he said he would want him to goto IRAQ as well

Are you friggin serious?

Haliburton would put a hit on him immediately and then they would give them immunity to be prosecuted and then haul anyone asking questions off to gitmo

Yeah if he goes to Iraq he won't come back, that's for sure. They'll blame his death on Al Qaida and boost Rudy back into the race

 

[RonRules]

I think the UK would fall better with the American public. And I think that if he'd go he should go to meet up with some colleagues on the other side of the pond. He could sell that as an Important meeting on global economic strategy in the light of global economic meltdown, he could combine that one day visit with a public speech at a famous landmark.

It doesn't have to cost more than 2 days and yeah.. Of course it does cost him some time campaigning in the US but lets be frank.. With the lack of coverage that he is getting his visits in the US really don't mean that much. Sure he can shake a few hundred hands but it hardly influences the election process as a whole. A trip to the UK might.

Finally, a positive response !

Most of you guys are depressed, it's sad to see.

This whole grass roots movement needs a VACATION! Join Ron Paul in Europe!

 

[Dutch_in_Hanoi]

Look, are you aware that over 40% of the nation votes in 13 days. Frankly, given trend statistics and all that, "After Super Tuesday" might just as well be "After the Election" for us!

That's the best rationale against hyping this at this moment that I have seen so far. I'm all for a trip to Europe after Super Tuesday, and it could be sold quite well if they approach it right.

But..

Super Tuesday comes first and will be crucial.. Focus on that, stay in the race, and hype possible trips to Europe later. Use your efforts where they are effective at the moment.

 

[Dutch_in_Hanoi]

Finally, a positive response !

Most of you guys are depressed, it's sad to see.

This whole grass roots movement needs a VACATION! Join Ron Paul in Europe!

Well the idea is pretty good, I like it. But like another poster stated: Super Tuesday comes first. Survive that and if the MSM still doesn't pick you guys up.. Grab that plain for a few days

 

[acptulsa]

We HAVE been doing that for 1 year, and frankly, it's NOT working.

It's NOT working, not because of Ron Paul, but because we are not getting our share of free publicity like the other candidates have. The press will have no choice but to cover this.

I live near Disneyland and meet tourists all the time. Last weekend at a sign waving a guy from Canada and a guy from Germany knew about Ron Paul and were big supporters. Why did these guys know about Ron Pau? Because the PRESS in EUROPE talks about Ron Paul. Check out the BBC here, they cover Ron Paul

Sure European can't vote, THAT'S NOT THE POINT! It's a free WORLDWIDE news conduit to help spread the message.

This is HUGE folks. For the cost of ONE DAY of Blimping !

I disagree that our efforts haven't been working.

I know that Paul has supporters all over the world, and that they're dedicated enough to want to wave his sign at Disney. This doesn't automatically mean that there will be huge crowds. The majority of people anywhere are hard enough to get interested in their local politics.

However, if he's closer to them, he could attract most of the Revolution supporters on the continent. It could be big, and could be newsworthy. I am still not convinced, though, that this will impress G.O.P. Joe here at home--and that's who we need. Remember, G.O.P. Joe doesn't even want us in the U.N.

Can you address this concern? How does this specifically help us win the Republican primary?

Thank you.

 

[RonRules]

"Can you address this concern? How does this specifically help us win the Republican primary?"

It's all about the speech that Ron Paul will give to the Europeans. He will explain our constitution and how the original Republicans were the true constitutionalists. The NeoCons have hijacked the Republican party and that's easy to show. With the right speech pace, the Europeans will listen and will cheer like we do.

These European speeches will be recorded and you can play them back to your Republican grandma (while eating apple pie with her)

BTW, wasn't Apple pie an British recipe?

 

[Mattsa]

After Super Tuesday, I think Ron Paul should take a little vacation and spend a day or two in Germany, at least a day in England and even France. France after all gave us the concept of Liberty. I would also support a trip to either Japan and South Korea near the military bases there.

Here's why:

Lots of Americans live in Europe and there are large military bases there. A Ron Paul rally and speech right outside a military base would draw in lots of Americans and lots of military folks that support Ron Paul.

The European media will not censor Ron Paul and would certainly welcome him and promote his ideas worldwide. The return on investment would be fantastic. Instead of buying TV ads, we would get huge publicity World Wide.

The idea of campaigning in Europe is also to spread the message far and wide, which is why Ron Paul is running after all. Europe needs Ron Paul's ideas as much if not more than we do. Total taxes are around 55% there.

This campaign is about doing things differently. Imagine all the European magazines, newspapers and TV show coverage from the BBC that are shown here.

The cost is minimal and not much more than flying across the country.

Does anybody here have the skills/connections to make this happen?

Any additional ideas?

Ron Paul would have a tough job selling his message in the UK

The media here is largely owned by Murdoch, including The Times. There is virtually no mention of Ron Paul in the editorial content of any of our newspapers.

However, there are a small but growing number of people who are very anti-Europe and Ron Paul's message would play quite well to them.

The UK has been a socialist state for 70 years now. That means there are very few people alive who have experienced life under anything other than the welfare state. The education system is diabolical and the media is complicit in the destruction of the UK's independence. The BBC, for example, is now just subtle propaganda for NuLabour and ever more stifling control of the people.

The most conservative Newspaper in the UK is now The Telegraph. It's the only serious newspaper left that dares to attack NuLabour and further integration into the United Socialist State of Europe.

I've just spent a month in the USA and I must warn you that your country is being hijacked in the same subtle and underhand way and freedom and liberty will not survive in the US unless the rot is stopped quickly. The NeoCons are a cancer that needs to be cut out immediately. There is very little time left before the spread is complete. The Ron Paul movement has suffered some setbacks recently and support seems to have died away somewhat but I have confidence that the support will return as the other candidates' campaigns run out of money.

Just keep the support going and keep the heat on the NeoCons. It's gonna be a long tough battle but the impending collapse of the dollar and the crashing economy will all play into the hands of Ron Paul. The worse the economic sistuation becomes, the more likely people are to see the light. The recent 0.75% base rate cut is the best indication yet that the fuel tank and the ammunition boxes are EMPTY. They have nothing left to fight the collapsing economy except further monetary debasement. Disaster isn't far away and I would urge all American people to prepare themselves for what's ahead. It's gonna get very very ugly.

 

[pacelli]

Finally, a positive response !

Most of you guys are depressed, it's sad to see.

This whole grass roots movement needs a VACATION! Join Ron Paul in Europe!

We've had polls on Moneybombs. We've had polls on media blackouts. Why don't you create a poll about this and let everyone cast a vote on it.

 

[acptulsa]

Thank you, Mattsa, for a realistic asessment from the U.K. I'm here in a red state, and I still don't see how (no offense) your opinion will ever sway any rednecks.

Hopefully, your British sobriety and realism will encourage RonRules to think this through a little more.

 

[RonRules]

"
However, there are a small but growing number of people who are very anti-Europe and Ron Paul's message would play quite well to them."

That's all you need. Fill up a small hotel room with cheering Brits and record it.

There is support for Ron Paul in Europe. My son just spent 6 months there and Ron Paul is known among college kids there, just like here.

 

[RonRules]

Ron Paul would have a tough job selling his message in the UK

The media here is largely owned by Murdoch, including The Times. There is virtually no mention of Ron Paul in the editorial content of any of our newspapers.

However, there are a small but growing number of people who are very anti-Europe and Ron Paul's message would play quite well to them.

The UK has been a socialist state for 70 years now. That means there are very few people alive who have experienced life under anything other than the welfare state. The education system is diabolical and the media is complicit in the destruction of the UK's independence. The BBC, for example, is now just subtle propaganda for NuLabour and ever more stifling control of the people.

The most conservative Newspaper in the UK is now The Telegraph. It's the only serious newspaper left that dares to attack NuLabour and further integration into the United Socialist State of Europe.

I've just spent a month in the USA and I must warn you that your country is being hijacked in the same subtle and underhand way and freedom and liberty will not survive in the US unless the rot is stopped quickly. The NeoCons are a cancer that needs to be cut out immediately. There is very little time left before the spread is complete. The Ron Paul movement has suffered some setbacks recently and support seems to have died away somewhat but I have confidence that the support will return as the other candidates' campaigns run out of money.

Just keep the support going and keep the heat on the NeoCons. It's gonna be a long tough battle but the impending collapse of the dollar and the crashing economy will all play into the hands of Ron Paul. The worse the economic sistuation becomes, the more likely people are to see the light. The recent 0.75% base rate cut is the best indication yet that the fuel tank and the ammunition boxes are EMPTY. They have nothing left to fight the collapsing economy except further monetary debasement. Disaster isn't far away and I would urge all American people to prepare themselves for what's ahead. It's gonna get very very ugly.

You seem like a reasonable European, exactly the type of person I'd like to see at a European rally.

What do you suggest we do to get more media attention here and worldwide?

 

[misericordia]

Pull a Gandhi, have a sit down rally somewhere warm, lots of people, wear duct tape over your mouths with "Ron Paul media blackout" or "vote rigging", or "we the people" or...?
Keep it super peaceful, and legal.

 

[RonRules]

"Why don't you create a poll about this and let everyone cast a vote on it."

I'll collect some more suggestions for 2-3 days and we'll poll it. Good idea.

 

[Mattsa]

You seem like a reasonable European, exactly the type of person I'd like to see at a European rally.

What do you suggest we do to get more media attention here and worldwide?

Good question

Forget about getting any attention in the MSM. It's totally owned

It will have to be internet based, it will require some clever marketing and advertising to get people to visit it.

A good example of the failure to challange the status quo is UKIP, (United Kingdom Independence Party) They've been around for over 10 years but they have been totally marginalised by the MSM. They could and should have used the internet to bypass the media but they have failed miserably to do so.

I'm going to develop some ideas once I return to the UK but right now, we need someone with some financial muscle to get involved. I have the contact details for John Mappen, the Cornwall based media entrepreneur who supports Ron Paul so I will arrange to meet him soon and see if we can get something together.

The one big thing in our favour is the state of the UK economy. We are in even worse shape than the USA but we're about 1 year behind in the cycle. 2008 is going to be a very shitty year for homeowners and people in debt........which is just about everyone....!!

There'll be plenty of people ready to jump on the bandwagon

Someone once said the British are ony a few hot meals away from revolution. The anger and resentment and the feeling of powerlessness to change anything is palpable. So we will have to tap into that.

A very good website to visit is www.housepricecrash.co.uk. A lot of people who post on the forum there KNOW damn well the UK economy is fucked and our democracy is a charade. It's worth a visit! There are definitely people out there who understand how the UK is run and they aren't happy about it!

 

[DirtMcGirt]

international relations... i like it...

 

[Grandson of Liberty]

"Why don't you create a poll about this and let everyone cast a vote on it."

I'll collect some more suggestions for 2-3 days and we'll poll it. Good idea.

Please make sure you include "BIG FAT NO" as an option.

 

[RonRules]

Good question

I'm going to develop some ideas once I return to the UK but right now, we need someone with some financial muscle to get involved. I have the contact details for John Mappen, the Cornwall based media entrepreneur who supports Ron Paul so I will arrange to meet him soon and see if we can get something together.

The one big thing in our favour is the state of the UK economy. We are in even worse shape than the USA but we're about 1 year behind in the cycle. 2008 is going to be a very shitty year for homeowners and people in debt........which is just about everyone....!!

There'll be plenty of people ready to jump on the bandwagon

I thank you on the behalf of all Americans for any efforts you do towards helping Ron Paul spread his message.

PM me or post here further ideas/strategies.

 

[RonRules]

Check out this International Debt Thermometer:

If Ron Paul were to ever show that to an excited European crowd you'd have MASSIVE support on our side. France and Germany have a higher national debt than the US. Look at Japan!

http://www.optimist123.com/optimist/2006/03/mar_2006_intern.html

I suspect that Ron Paul's true intentions is to spread his message. Let's help him spread it world wide. It won't cost a dime more than what he's spending now and the publicity spillover will be HUGE.

 

[maeqFREEDOMfree]

i don't think campaigning in a foreign country would be the most effective way to appeal to people that want America's sovereignty back. For the most part, when i talk to people with this at the top of their own personal issues, most of them think we should stay out of the affairs of other nations and that they shouldn't have a say in how our country is made. While i understand that some americans live overseas, the majority of us live here... Dr. Paul has a very limited amount of time, so much so that he was unable to come to Michigan, for example, in the weeks before the primary. Being that he was campaigning in another state to try and get votes, we all understood and didn't have much of a problem with that decision. However, i believe , as well as other Michigan supporters do, that we would have been a little perturbed if the reason he couldn't visit was because he was "campaigning" in some European country.