Should Libertarians support anarcho-capitalism?

[A Son of Liberty]

Go fuck yourself, "Natural Citizen", for starters.

Following that up, I'll have you know I have more gray hairs than black. So you can ALSO stick that "youngster" stuff up your own ass, as well.

Now that we have that settled...

No one is "forcing" you to be an anarchist, you moron. That's literally the opposite of the concept.

Unless you're even more thick than I imagine, you've detected a certain degree of hostility in this post, so far. That would be a result of your smug - yet wholly unfounded - self-assurance. You're so freaking wrong, it's not even funny.

Your INSISTENCE to have access to the implementation of force is what separates you from people of principle, young'on. It's absolutely adorable that you imagine some construct within which you can both own your own life, and yet own everyone else's life...

Maybe you could address that really simple concept, instead of prattling on like some mindless teenager post after post?

 

[A Son of Liberty]

I've never really seen one single person around here who identifies as an anarchist actually try to present a legit, thoroughly explained, case for how it (in this case, anarcho-capitalism...lolol) would specifically work

Are you new here or something, jackass?

 

[Natural Citizen]

It had nothing to do with your age. I was talking about your aptitude in discussing such matters. Your aptitude is youthful in that your words when discussing such things are not wise. It is apparent that you have not thought your ism out all the way.

You said that you are anti-government.

I say that any application of any ideal, incuding anarcho-capitalism, will require said ideal to be secured by a governmental body of some sort. I've also explained that anarchy and capitalism are fundamentally contrary to each other in principle. And I've explained that they cannot be hyphenated in any applicable way.

I've explained why.

So prove me wrong or shut up. If you cannot prove me wrong, then go get someone to help you and you can both prove me wrong.

Old man.

Go $#@! yourself, "Natural Citizen", for starters.

Following that up, I'll have you know I have more gray hairs than black. So you can ALSO stick that "youngster" stuff up your own ass, as well.

Now that we have that settled...

No one is "forcing" you to be an anarchist, you moron. That's literally the opposite of the concept.

Unless you're even more thick than I imagine, you've detected a certain degree of hostility in this post, so far. That would be a result of your smug - yet wholly unfounded - self-assurance. You're so freaking wrong, it's not even funny.

Your INSISTENCE to have access to the implementation of force is what separates you from people of principle, young'on. It's absolutely adorable that you imagine some construct within which you can both own your own life, and yet own everyone else's life...

Maybe you could address that really simple concept, instead of prattling on like some mindless teenager post after post?

 

[Natural Citizen]

Are you new here or something, jackass?

Please explain to us how anarcho-capitalism is anti-government.

Old wise one.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

False.

As the Founders noted, some truths are "self-evident". Whether they are secured or not has nothing to do with whether they are True.

Do you own your life, Natural Citizen? Answer that question.

 

[CCTelander]

lololol!

Sure, yeah... It's not that you couldn't carry your argument in a leaky bucket. It's that, here @ RPF's, the anarchists have "taken over". RIIIIIIGHT... It's not the fucking insane statist Trumpistas who've taken over, it's the freaking logically consistent anarchists who run things around here.

lol

Okay, "Natural Citizen". You go ahead and be "done" because of the - what - 3 anarchists here.

Tough crowd, tough crowd. lol

I know, right?

Anarchists/voluntarists have never, EVER been in the majority around here. If my memory of the innumerable polls that have been posted here over the years is fairly accurate, the closest we've ever come is something on the order of 25% or so, back in the glory days of 2007-10 or 12. The number of anarchists/voluntarists participating on this board has decreased considerably since then. I'd be surprised to find that we numbered as much as 10% of the active population. To claim that anarchists have "taken over" or are in any way the dominant influence around here is farcical in the extreme.

In point of fact, there's always been an undercurrent of hostility towards anarchists/voluntarists here. We were tolerated, probably because so many of Ron Paul's close friends and associates are anarchists, but the hostility was definitely palpable, if just under the surface. Once Ron left public life and the focus changed from spreading the word and working to persuade people to embrace the principles of liberty to winning elections at all costs and worrying about principles later, that hostility moved out into the open and became quite rabid in some cases.

But hey, we anarchists/voluntarists run things around here and are the reason that the others can't ever get anything done! ROTFLMFAO!

What tripe.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

It had nothing to do with you age. I was talking about your aptitude in discussing such matters. You're aptitude is youthful in that your words when discussing such things are not wise.

Ugh... you're so full of both shit and yourself it's nauseating.

 

[CCTelander]

Isn't anarcho-capitalism what libertarians do by definition?

Libertarian principles, followed to their logical conclusion, lead inexorably to anarchism/voluntarism. Anyone claiming to be a libertarian who doesn't acknowledge and embrace this fact is simply failing to adhere consistently to libertarian principles. So the answer to your question is "yes."

 

[CCTelander]

The fact that we currently have too much government does not mean there is no such thing as too little.

The fact that we currently have too much wife beating does not mean there is no such thing as too little.

The fact that we once had too much chattel slavery does not mean there is no such thing as too little.

I'm absolutely certain that you'd vehemently disagree with both of those statements. But when it comes to the robbery, rape and murder that is the very essence of the state, there can be too little? Please.

 

[CCTelander]

There are literally maybe 3 anarchists posting in this subforum only. You're deluded.

This place should be renamed Trumpforums.com



YOU don't have any idea of what anarchy is.

You have your conception of how we should all live, and you're irritated that a (quite) few of us don't agree with you. Too bad for you. That's all the proof you need (if you agree that people own their own lives, which should be your starting point) that your ideas are BOLLOCKS.

^^^This.

It's usually those who understand the least what anarchy is who most rabidly declaim it. Sad but true.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Ugh... you're so full of both $#@! and yourself it's nauseating.

So you're not gonna back up your own bull pucky?

I've offered logical points.

Why won't you refute them? Hm? Why? At least try. That's what men do.

 

[Natural Citizen]

^^^This.

It's usually those who understand the least what anarchy is who most rabidly declaim it. Sad but true.

I'm the one who told him he doesn't understand anarchy. If he was an anarchist, surely he wouldn't be promoting capitalism or private property, which he did promote in the same breath promoting anarchy. So tell me why you think I understand the least what anarchy is, please. Show us your wisdom, CCTelander.

What is anarchy, CCTelander?

Surely one of you has the stones to actually say something relevant to defending your own ism. Try it, CCTelander. Enlighten me.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

So you're not gonna back up your own bull pucky?

I've offered logical points.

Why won't you refute them? Hm? Why? At least try. That's what men do.

Do you own your life. Just please answer that simple question.

Doesn't matter what else we talk about... how you want to define "capitalism", what you think contradicts whatelse. None of it. Do you own your life or not. Period.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

I'm the one who told him he doesn't understand anarchy. If he was an anarchist, surely he wouldn't be promoting capitalism or private property, which he did promote in the same breath promoting anarchy. So tell me why you think I understand the least what anarchy is, please. Show us your wisdom, CCTelander.

What is anarchy, CCTelander?

Surely one of you has the stones to actually say something relevant. Try it, CCTelander. Enlighten me.

Just answer the question.

And pardon us for our lack of patience... CCTelander and I, and few others of a like mind, have been down this road around here before. Speaking for myself, I don't have a ton of time to rehash what we've already proven.

If you want to discuss it, YOU need to prove the righteousness of the state. Ya can't, if you're interested in brevity. But by all means, give 'er a crack. We're all just desperately anxious for your particular iteration. :hum:

 

[Natural Citizen]

Do you own your life. Just please answer that simple question.

Doesn't matter what else we talk about... how you want to define "capitalism", what you think contradicts whatelse. None of it. Do you own your life or not. Period.

Nyoooo. It absolutely matters what we talk about. Tenor is extremely important.

You don't get to completely duck and avoid everything I've said in the thread. You have to back up your own bull pucky.

You said that you're anti-government. I explained to you, correctly so, why capitalism and anarchy are based on two completely contrary sets of principles. I also explained to you why you'd ultimately be left with some form of government regardless.

Refute it.

 

[Natural Citizen]

So you're gonna chicken dick out of defending the inconsitencies in your ism?

I'm telling you that you're going to have a state regardless. I've explained why. You have yet to refute me. What I think about the state isn't german.

If you've been at this as long as you say you have, then, surely you must know that the state is unavoidable.

Old man.

Just answer the question.

And pardon us for our lack of patience... CCTelander and I, and few others of a like mind, have been down this road around here before. Speaking for myself, I don't have a ton of time to rehash what we've already proven.

If you want to discuss it, YOU need to prove the righteousness of the state. Ya can't, if you're interested in brevity. But by all means, give 'er a crack. We're all just desperately anxious for your particular iteration. :hum:

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Ugh.

DO YOU OWN YOUR LIFE?

FUCK dude...

 

[Natural Citizen]

Refute my points in the thread. I've been very clear and precise. Do not run from them. This is functional debate. Prove to me, and everyone, why you think that you will not have a governmental body to secure the application of an anarcho-capitalist society.

Do that and I will answer your question.

You don't get to skip over my argument, though. That's not functional debate.

Ugh.

DO YOU OWN YOUR LIFE?

$#@! dude...

 

[Natural Citizen]

And don't call me dude, please.

Thank You.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

You don't get to completely duck and avoid everything I've said in the thread. You have to back up your own bull pucky.

You said that you're anti-government. I explained to you, correctly so, why capitalism and anarchy are based on two completely contrary sets of principles. I also explained to you why you'd ultimately be left with some form of government regardless.

Refute it.

I can barely make it through one of your incoherent, rambling posts. Just answer the question and save us all a lot of time.

WHO CARES IF ANARCHISM AND CAPITALISM as you presumably define it ARE INCOMPATIBLE CONCEPTS or whatever you want to call it? NO ONE. NOT RELEVANT, dude. Not at all. None of these definitions matter if there is no State. Free exchange, or the free market... Jeezus dude, it's not all that freaking complicated.

If you own your life, full stop, then there is no such thing as the State. If there is no State, then we operate on one-on-one terms, period. No one can define how those terms will play out, at the end of the day. No one cares if the market of exchange is called capitalism, or Bobism or whatever-the-fuck-ism. No one cares. It just is how people exchange goods and services.

Quit acting like you've discovered some glitch in the matrix, NC. You haven't. You're just prattling. Statelessness is just the natural state of mankind. That's it. That's all it is. Anything else is just coercive and violent.

Holy FUCK I can't believe we're still talking about this here...