Should i join the military?

Knowing someone with connections does very little for you in the military. Also getting into any form of special forces is pretty hard, and ultimately useless in the career field outside of the military.

As for joining, that's your own choice. I can't tell you "hell no", because on multiple occasions I've seriously considered it. I live in a small town and work and go to college. I've seriously considered joining due to the fact that I hate where I live and I'm so bored all the time with my daily life, namely because the dating scene for guys my age whom are not a marine is horrible. Stupid as it sounds, stuff like that can be a deciding factor for some people.

If you do join, get a job where you can use the skills outside of the military. Especially technical jobs in electronics and computers. No you don't get to be rambo, but you'll at least learn some valuable skills.
 
Can you blindly follow orders no matter how barbaric and inhumane they are? Can you fight for a cause you don't believe in? Can you ignore ethics and humanity completely?

The answer to your question is whatever you answer to these questions.
 
I don't disagree with anything you said. And that is one of the main things that i honestly haven't thought about when i really think about it. Too be honest shooting people shooting at me probably(idk) wouldn't bother me, but yes killing someone that wasn't shoot at me or my unit, friends, etc i would never forget.

Even if they are shooting at you I would argue you should feel bad for shooting and/or killing them. You know why? Because you are invading their land (and you know it).

If China invaded our country and Chinese troops were on all of our streets maybe you would take up arms against them. Probably most of us here would actually.

The Chinese soldier would shoot us and feel justified because hey - it was in "self-defense" right?

WRONG. When you are invading a country you are invading a country.

You know these wars are wrong in your heart. Don't join a killing machine that will send you many thousands miles away from home where you have no place being.

Every death, no matter what the situation, will weigh on you for the rest of your life.
 
First, I wouldn't plan on being a SEAL, as there is a high failure rate. Also, your girlfriend's dad being a former SEAL would likely have no bearing on whether or not you're accepted (at least, I'd hope not). I can understand that feeling of wanting to join the military, regardless of current opinions of the government, but keep in mind that it's boring as hell. And I mean mind-numbingly boring. Then there's the problem of some dipshit officer coming up with a bad idea, and having that bad idea roll right down the chain of command down to you.

In any case, I'm not going to tell you not to join. I don't regret my involvement with the military, but am glad that it's over. I guess the most important bit of advice I would give you is that you probably shouldn't join unless you intend to make a career out of it. If you only decide to serve for a few years, it would have only hurt you in the private sector when you try to find new employment. Also, with the issue of PTSD being tossed around by the media, in conjunction with the fact that the requirements for being diagnosed with PTSD are less strict (which necessarily means a higher rate of PTSD), it's pretty clear that the new generation of veterans with get the Vietnam treatment of the crazy war vet. Some employers might be wary of hiring a veteran based on this stereotype.

Finally, of course your woman is upset about it. Duh! I don't know what your relationship is like, but is kicking the desert sand chasing ghosts more important than making love to your woman?

Thanks this has been a very helpful read. I guess im just a little concerned what i will be doing for a living. Right now i have been setting up a small lot of land at my grandpa's (since its already been paid off) as a place to grow crops. But, i don't want to be a farmer for a living i just want to provide for myself when shit gets bad.
 
Even if they are shooting at you I would argue you should feel bad for shooting and/or killing them. You know why? Because you are invading their land (and you know it).

If China invaded our country and Chinese troops were on all of our streets maybe you would take up arms against them. Probably most of us here would actually.

The Chinese soldier would shoot us and feel justified because hey - it was in "self-defense" right?

WRONG. When you are invading a country you are invading a country.

You know these wars are wrong in your heart. Don't join a killing machine that will send you many thousands miles away from home where you have no place being.

Every death, no matter what the situation, will weigh on you for the rest of your life.

Agreed
 
No. Have you considered other occupations that don't require college and can't be outsourced like electrician, plumber, heating/air conditioning specialist, carpenter.... ?
 
Yup

No. Have you considered other occupations that don't require college and can't be outsourced like electrician, plumber, heating/air conditioning specialist, carpenter.... ?

Lots of skills that are useful and don't require killing people, working for the government, or taking orders from people much stupider than you.

You can even learn some of those skills in an apprentice program or through a local union.
 
While killing people is a skill that is likely to stay in demand for the forseeable future, it isn't one that is conducive to personal happiness.

If you were going in to learn a skill like welding or dentistry, then maybe. But SEAL? No.

Learn a skill that people in a peaceful underground economy will want.

Not bad advice .
 
I think some of the naysayers here need to brush up on their diplomacy skills. "Hell no!" isn't very insightful advice. The "Join if you want to be a murderer" isn't very helpful either. These kinds of statements aren't going to be too effective with young men who may think they have a thirst for adventure, be it right or wrong. Furthermore, these kinds of statements won't help us win elections, and will really alienate people who may otherwise be converted.

For what it's worth, I would argue against joining the military at this time. Having said that, I also have some experience with it, and can understand your feelings I'd imagine. I had joined the Army Reserve in 2002, before we had even gotten involved in Iraq. I was in college at the time, and the thought of going active duty wasn't a consideration, especially since I had moved around during my childhood (ten schools in twelve years) and would not enjoy continuing that in the active military. I had joined as a Combat Engineer, despite having almost maxed out the ASVAB test. In fact, some of the other would-be soldiers at the MEPS station had thought I was crazy for not joining the Air Force, or some cushier MOS. But, being the young man I was, I had a thirst for the more adventurous, combat arms side.

I ended up getting deployed to Iraq in 2003, and had invaded with the initial strike. Now, I don't have any horror story to tell you as a cautionary tale against joining; hell, I didn't even have to fire my weapon. However, I will tell you that while I was there with nothing but time to think, I had wondered what the hell the point of being there was. From my perspective, it really was a clusterfuck, and nothing but a waste of resources and military personnel.

Sure, rolling through a city while guns are blasting is quite the excitment, I cannot deny that. However, that sort of adrenaline rush was far less than 1% of the overseas experience. Most of it was either boring or annoying. Imagine if you will, wearing full military gear in the blazing sun, doing hard labor, and refreshing yourself with water that is almost as hot as coffee. Imagine picking up shitty toilet paper that the wind had swept away from a makeshit bathroom so that we could impress some goddamned officer. Imagine waking up with a layer of sand on you, every single morning. Imagine hearing Islamic chants on loudspeakers for days on end. Imagine having an out of company inspection of our areas to make sure we didn't have pictures of naked women. Imagine wanting to see your girlfiend or wife, or your child being born. Imagine the stench of rotting animal carcasses while travelling along the roads. Imagine the sight of a blown up bus, with dismembered parts of men, women, and children, who were clearly neither terrorist nor enemy combatant. Now, imagine what is actually being accomplished, and whether or not it is truly worth it.

The bottom line is that as our government becomes increasingly irresponsible, the idea of serving in its armies to do its dirty work becomes ever more distasteful. Most politicians have pissing contests in which they try to demonstrate how much they love and support the troops. The politicians only use the troops for political capital. The reality is that they don't give a fuck about you, and would never dream of performing the tasks that they would have you do. In fact, they even look down upon you as being a filthy dog. This is not an age of the Heroic Ideal, in which at least the king and nobility would shed their blood with you. No, our current system of warfare is far less honorable than it was during the medieval era, at least in terms of the elites' involvement.

Ultimately, I have no problem with the military. It is there to perform a function. However, the problem I have is with the people, most of whom would never even think of serving, who use others as their pawns. I can accept being a pawn in a strategic military sense, but not in a poltical one.

To sum up, stay home, make love to your woman, and don't bother joining a conflict which our masters in Washington have no intention or clue of winning.
 
Are you going to help support the messed up war on terror and a more powerful government? Yes but the same can be said about people drawing welfare foodstamps, unemployment, student loans SSI or any other government handout or anyone holding a county, state or federal job. I have seen people on here justify all these things so don't let the "you are adding to the system!" people weigh over heavy on you.
Are you automatically going to kill people? No. The majority of the fields in the military are non combat arms.
Your GF's father's voice for you will do absolutely nothing to help you through seal training. If you enlist specifically in the seals and wash out more than likely you will end up in some field you do not want.
Going through seal training is intense and takes huge amounts of physical and mental strength but mental strength is going to be the biggest challenge because you will already have doubts of what you would be doing this all for. That can be a real mental strength killer.
The military can be really boring. Following stupid orders can really test you.
In the military you can end up doing stuff you will never have a chance to do in civilian life.
Certain fields can be one of the few ways to get the training necessary for a civilian job. Helicopter pilots (Most people go broke trying to get the hours for commercial license) airline pilots are the same. (Dual engine flight time)
Medical fields are good for civilian jobs plus you are working to save lives not taking lives. This includes treating the enemy wounded and civilian casualities of war.
I have been in the military and that great GF means one hell of a lot. Think twice before throwing her away for the military.
The choice is yours but try to get as much info as possible before making this huge decision.
 
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If you feel like you have to join, why not the coast guard then?

Yep, or maybe the Merchant Marines?

How does one join the Merchant Marine or so you want to go to sea?

The United States Coast Guard regulates and issues the necessary documents for the U.S. Merchant Marine. Contact the U.S. Coast Guard (U.S. Government Department of Transportation in your phone book) or write to Commandant, US Coast Guard, 2100 Second St. SW, Washington, DC 20593.

Paul Hall Center for Maritime Training and Education at the Seafarers Harry Lundeberg School of Seamanship operates an entry level training program for young people seeking careers in the US maritime industry. The course is about 12 weeks in school, and 12 weeks on board ship, then a follow up at the school. This Unlicensed Apprentice Program is free of charge and program graduates receive a US Merchant Mariners Document/Ordinary Seaman with Water Survival and Fire Fighting Endorsements.
 
Do what you like because most of the comments here doesn't say why you shouldn't join the military; they are ignorant and don't know what they're talking about. Sure, you would certainly sacrifice. But I have a friend in your age who's going to Afghanistan next month. He has finished college and there're no jobs out there. Perhaps, you probably need more time to figure out what you wanna do with life. You're young, like me so don't rash.

Do what you think is right. Just because you're a Ron Paul fan doesn't mean you shouldn't join the military.
 
Really?

Do what you like because most of the comments here doesn't say why you shouldn't join the military; they are ignorant and don't know what they're talking about. Sure, you would certainly sacrifice. But I have a friend in your age who's going to Afghanistan next month. He has finished college and there're no jobs out there. Perhaps, you probably need more time to figure out what you wanna do with life. You're young, like me so don't rash.

Do what you think is right. Just because you're a Ron Paul fan doesn't mean you shouldn't join the military.

Who are you calling ignorant? Do you have anything other than a mouth to give you authority?

Ever work with any vets with PTSD?

Ever had a career?

Ever passed an English class?
 
Who are you calling ignorant? Do you have anything other than a mouth to give you authority?

Ever work with any vets with PTSD?

Ever had a career?

Ever passed an English class?


I didn't say he should join the military. Also, I was referring to those who just said "no", or "hell no" without any meaningful explanation.
And what's your sarcasm all about? What's wrong with joining the military? Tell me about your experience and maybe I will listen rather than to your rummy statements.
 
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