Should Cockfighting Be Legal?

Would you like to see your state legalize cockfighting?

  • Yes

    Votes: 78 58.6%

  • No

    Votes: 55 41.4%
  • Total voters
    133
cindy25 said:
chickens are different than dogs; dogs are pets, not food. but it should not be encouraged.
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Actually... Most dog breeds were orginally bred for hunting, herding, and yes, even fighting.

Dogs ARE for the most part natural killers, whether it be rabbits, hogs, bulls, or other dogs.

Roosters, though sometimes aggressive, are less equipped to be killers than dogs.

So, if dog fighting should be illegal, should it be illegal for me to use dogs to hunt wild boar, which are every bit as intelligent (and far more tasty) as dogs?
 
Wrong Question
Didn't vote.

Should the state be making anything illegal? Short of Murder, Rape, Assault, Theft and Fraud. Actual crimes of aggression against others, the state should have no business making laws to control the lives of people.
Society(the market) will dictate what is acceptable or allowed.
 
Of course it should be legal. Animals don't have rights - period, and to say they do leads to quite a slippery slope that would end our reliance on them as labor, food, , resources (you seriously wouldn't *believe* how much of the products we use in everyday lives are reliant on animal products), and even pets.

Animals are property, period. Once they, or any animal, or object even, gains *sapience* - then we can talk about them having 'rights'.
 
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Sentient Void said:
Of course it should be legal. Animals don't have rights - period, and to say they do leads to quite a slippery slope that would end our reliance on them as labor, food, , resources (you seriously wouldn't *believe* how much of the products we use in everyday lives are reliant on animal products), and even pets.

Animals are property, period. Once they, or any animal, or object even, gains *sapience* - then we can talk about them having 'rights'.
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Just to play devil's advocate - I'm pretty sure people used to say the same thing about slaves.
 
LOL animal rights never thought i'd see this on a liberty forum

are you guys friggin' forgetting something? LOCALS AND COMMUNITIES ring a bell?

first of all if enough people in some small town or city want to ban animal fighting, they could. federal government? hell no. why isn't this mentioned

furthermore, if you have animal fighting in your neighborhood with animal yelps every night, how friggin' much do you think your neighborhood properties will be worth..

you don't need federal laws.. laws stem from common sense. common sense and economic laws are the first defenses against unsavory acts.. every time when you have a brain fart moment about liberty "oh wait, what about this. constitution doesn't protect this~??", please apply this rule.

will it stop all animal fighting? hmm. michael vick did stop. wait, what about his buddies. anybody did a check on them?

instead of resorting to black markets, maybe some of these homeless towns will sanction animal fighting and take revenue, and then ban it when their property values go up. who knows.

keep making stupid freaking laws and make this country get poorer, and i guarantee you there will be more animal fighting. actually, try man fighting for a change.

so can we start thinking now? all brains back in order? jesus
 
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jtstellar said:
LOL animal rights never thought i'd see this on a liberty forum

are you guys friggin' forgetting something? LOCALS AND COMMUNITIES ring a bell?

......

keep making stupid freaking laws and make this country get poorer, and i guarantee you there will be more animal fighting. actually, try man fighting for a change.

so can we start thinking now? all brains back in order? jesus
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thank you.
 
The state should havee no say in the matter at all, so I voted no. Personally, I do not like cockfighting, but I see no reason why it should be illegal.
 
Should it be illegal on the Federal Level, probably not, should it be illegal on the state level, well that would depend on the will of those living in the state, or if it was sent to the local level to handle the issue.

This question does not involve dog "rights" anymore than sitting 10 rusted out cars in your yard involves car "rights". A community can decide if they find storing rusted out cars in your yard to be acceptable or not. Just the same as a community can decide if it will accept dog torture to be acceptable, or blaring loud music at night, or driving on the left versus right side of the road. These aren't questions of inalienable rights, but questions pertaining to community standards.

Unless one believes there should be no laws, or only a few arbitrary laws, then it should be up to the community, to set the standards of behaviour. As in I'm sure even if this government collapsed and even the state government collapsed, and all of us made all the laws for our little communities, we'd still make many activities illegal. As in walking around town naked, having sex in the park, driving 100 mph by a school, torturing animals, burning toxic shit in the middle of town, etc, etc... Now maybe there are some anarchist purists that would make a town with the only laws being no rape,murder, stealing, well that town will be a total shithole in no time flat, but most towns will adopt a rational level of lawfully acceptable behaviour, and that will effect your rights to do certain things to your property, including but not limited to animals, your real estate, etc...

So most are framing the question wrong as in framing it in terms of god given animal rights, when that is not the question at all, the question is does the community have the right to enforce standards for itself in regards to property.

And the answer is yes.

However, if there was no federal, or state government, and it all was local, I'm sure a community or two out of hundreds would allow animal torture for entertainment, I doubt they will be popular, and packed with sociopaths, but sure it's not an unalienable right (but even what we call god given rights is really just group consensus), but just something most will believe to be a decent standard rule of behaviour, like not jerking your meat in the front yard to passing traffic.

But hell there is the possiblity some community would allow it, just none, I'd trade with, or visit. So, in other words, IMO, the "market" would eliminate them and tag the community as nuttersociopathville.
 
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Torture of any form is immoral. Whether or not it should be legal depends on if the State should exist or not.
 
Public shaming of animal abusers is the best way to handle these situation. The state can not help. Animals have no rights, though. You can't consider yourself a libertarian and argue such nonsense.
 
Exactly, if you don't like the rules the community agreed upon move to a different one that agrees with your philosophy. I wouldn't live there, and move immediately, but if that is your bliss, well, don't try to force your standards on me.

As far as bugs go, they don't have any higher brain function at all, they are literally like machines, so, yeah, if you are asking me personally would I live in a community that allowed bug fights, sure. They aren't equivalent to something that feels fear, or happiness, or any form of reality as we know it. A Bug is more akin to a computer than a human. Their nervous system is to simple to allow for more than programmed responses.
 
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