Shots fired, Bundy arrested

[Deborah K]

http://media.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/other/2016/02/02/ammonwithdrawschallenge.pdf

 

[Deborah K]

It's okay for the government to kill citizens, trust us!! http://krisannehall.com/doj-its-ok-for-the-govt-to-kill-citizens-trust-us/

 

[Natural Citizen]

It's okay for the government to kill citizens, trust us!! http://krisannehall.com/doj-its-ok-for-the-govt-to-kill-citizens-trust-us/

A good observation on the part of the author here. And an excellent question that needs to be asked en masse...

It is interesting to note that throughout its paper the DOJ continually appeals to the “government’s inherent right to defend itself” while this administration does not seem to recognize such a right among its citizens. Will we be given the same deference when we defend ourselves? Will George Zimmerman be given an inherent right to self-defense under the same standards as the government asserts? Apparently this administration only claims such a right for the government? The framers said each of us have an inherent right to self-defense (Sam Adams said, “The rights of the colonists are these; First life, Secondly liberty, and third property and the ability to defend them”).

When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Right?

 

[jllundqu]

Phoenix protesters gathering near US Courthouse to show support for Ritzheimer today. Court scheduled for this afternoon. Could get interesting if armed militia doods get in the face of the USMS at the court...

 

[phill4paul]

So how exactly was the PPN able to come up with the serial number of the 9mm in the first place? I'd imagine only FBI or State police have had anything to do with handling/processing the sidearm. They might have someone on the inside with access, but to get that close to something this pertinent to the situation would mean they are pretty deep in to what happened.

 

[Deborah K]

So how exactly was the PPN able to come up with the serial number of the 9mm in the first place? I'd imagine only FBI or State police have had anything to do with handling/processing the sidearm. They might have someone on the inside with access, but to get that close to something this pertinent to the situation would mean they are pretty deep in to what happened.

I would imagine a lot of members (many of whom are x-military, x-cop types) have contacts and networking that we aren't privy to.

 

[pcosmar]

So how exactly was the PPN able to come up with the serial number of the 9mm in the first place?

another good question..

Have any of their demands been met? (doubts)

 

[pcosmar]

I would imagine a lot of members (many of whom are x-military, x-cop types) have contacts and networking that we aren't privy to.

I am guessing that many are active cop types,, and lefty community organizers trying to be the non"militia".
There is a lot of Agenda 21 visibly apparent in the area. (I'm near and it is very visible)

There are more bused in protesters against,, than there were out of state supporters of the ranchers.

 

[phill4paul]

another good question..

Have any of their demands been met? (doubts)

I'm sure not a single demand has been met. Nor will they be. Not even if 1 million protesters showed up on the white house lawn. Not when waving a sign is the most you are willing to do about any situation. And theye know and count on it.

 

[Deborah K]

I'm sure not a single demand has been met. Nor will they be. Not even if 1 million protesters showed up on the white house lawn. Not when waving a sign is the most you are willing to do about any situation. And theye know and count on it.

I do hope they are counting on it.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

That is why he actually is brilliant with this.

The way he talks appeals to the averageperson.

Intelligence is not rewarded in this country.

not only is intellect nor rewarded, it is actively punished.

 

[goldenequity]

CNN Doing what they do best... sickening cover for LEO plant/throw down
installing the narrative, discrediting the witness

 

[goldenequity]

(Sovereign Citizen) 'Judge' Gary Darby calling Oregon National Guard

http://regenesisradio.com/judge-reports-lavoy-shot-9-times-pleads-for-military/

 

[phill4paul]

(Sovereign Citizen) 'Judge' Gary Darby calling Oregon National Guard

http://regenesisradio.com/judge-reports-lavoy-shot-9-times-pleads-for-military/

Except that the U.S. military participated in Waco. He'll find no protection there.

 

[goldenequity]

Except that the U.S. military participated in Waco. He'll find no protection there.

Not yet.

 

[Deborah K]

(Sovereign Citizen) 'Judge' Gary Darby calling Oregon National Guard

http://regenesisradio.com/judge-reports-lavoy-shot-9-times-pleads-for-military/

Judge Reports Lavoy Shot 9 Times Pleads for Military, Major General on bringing in U.S Military, reports “French Banking” cartel has employed operatives acting falsely as FBI agents. The Major General reports he has escalated the matter.

WTF? Has anyone else listened to this, and do you have an opinion?

 

[Deborah K]

Who is "BlackStone"?

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

I wish people would not get distracted by "Sovereign Citizen" arguments. I've shown many times in the past why these arguments hold no water. The main idea behind these arguments are some "contracts" that are executed regarding your "strawman" and of course there's no way a person could be bound by such a contract. In order for any contract to be valid you have to have a "meeting of the minds" between people of "sound mind" and "legal age". The terms of the contract must be "fully disclosed" and understood buy all parties...

 

[Deborah K]

Gonna listen to conversation between the Judge and the Major again. The judge is claiming the people who filed the petition think the IMF aka a "french cartel" is bullying citizens there. Then at the end of the call, the Major (who the Judge is talking to) mentions the Black Stone Group. Any sleuths willing to take this on?

 

[dannno]

I wish people would not get distracted by "Sovereign Citizen" arguments. I've shown many times in the past why these arguments hold no water. The main idea behind these arguments are some "contracts" that are executed regarding your "strawman" and of course there's no way a person could be bound by such a contract. In order for any contract to be valid you have to have a "meeting of the minds" between people of "sound mind" and "legal age". The terms of the contract must be "fully disclosed" and understood buy all parties...

What is your problem with the argument, specifically?