Shots fired, Bundy arrested

Watch this:


Then listen to this:


And decide when the shooting started, when they started driving, and who was shooting when they hit the snow bank...

According to the person in the vehicle, they had already been shot at a lot before starting to drive in the beginning of the first video.

Planned execution. They forced the prey to the road block with the sniper in the woods.
 
9:30 mark. This is the first shot on him. Right after the hand gesture to the vehicle. I believe the shot comes from the hand gun of the tree-line agent. He turns to the treeline and reaches for his weapon at 9:32 because he has been shot and the tree line agent delivers death shots at 12' range.
 
9:30 mark. This is the first shot on him. Right after the hand gesture to the vehicle. I believe the shot comes from the hand gun of the tree-line agent. He turns to the treeline and reaches for his weapon at 9:32 because he has been shot and the tree line agent delivers death shots at 12' range.

For his weapon, or grabs the spot where he was shot?
 
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If you watch this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4nKVCcLjxU), at the end... the guy in the brown behind the black pickup tailgate.... looks like it could be he fires a shot and then runs back to the front of the silver pick up after getting a shot off... that is the the same time LaVoy reaches down to his waist / rib area and I think grabs the spot he was shot, not going for a gun... but maybe he was grabbing a gun after being shot at... you know, before they took off driving, and when crashing into the snow bank getting riddled with bullets....
 
supposedly shows Lavoy with hands up reaching down to inside of jacket... then back up when the shot him.

It seems in the video that they setup a roadblock at the end of fair curve in the roadway, intending to cause the driver to veer off the roadway or risk slamming head-on into the vehicles blocking the entire street.

Also that it appears that an agent jumped along the passenger side of the vehicle as it was hitting snow coming to a sudden stop, which was the same person pursuing the driver as he exited from the vehicle a few moments afterward.

Further, it actually appears, by the change in the driver's demeanor that he was being fired upon right at the agent's initial contact, so the driver appears to step over quickly though was unable to in the (powder?) snow and possibly was reaching for a weapon to fire back in his own defense, but was put down too quickly from both the front and back by the two agents that had the one-up on him--as you see also a sniper is coming out from hiding in the trees aiming a long-rifle, just as witnesses had earlier stated.

The driver exited around 9:21, confronted at 9:28, reached for chest area at 9:29, attempts to run to front of vehicle at 9:30 to 9:32, reaches for chest area again at 9:32, and drops to the ground at 9:34, agents remain pointing weapons until 9:35 and then both agents retreat to the safety of their line of vehicles, meanwhile leaving the supposedly armed driver on the ground unrestrained to die, noting also the driver never appears to move once falling down--this indicates they delivered a kill shot and knew that they had done so, and perhaps even intended to do so.

Following the agents shooting, it appears they immediately delivered several flash-bang type devices around the vehicle, while remaining hidden from sight.

Regardless, the driver was assassinated within six-seconds of being contacted. Ergo, another instance of instant lethal-force by LEO.

Also, this violates general policy on felony stops, the vehicle occupants are commanded out one at a time in a uniform manner and arrested while a clear line of fire is established by the LEO on scene--it is against protocol to charge at an occupant into the line of fire.
 
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Hey FBI, FTFY:


On at least two occasions, OSP troopers shot Finicum.

At this time, Finicum reaches his right hand toward a pocket on the left inside portion of his jacket. He did have a loaded 9 mm semi-automatic handgun in that pocket.

ETA: Didn't he reach to his right side with his left hand?
 
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It seems in the video that they setup a roadblock at the end of fair curve in the roadway, intending to cause the driver to veer off the roadway or risk slamming head-on into the vehicles blocking the entire street.

Also that it appears that an agent jumped along the passenger side of the vehicle as it was hitting snow coming to a sudden stop, which was the same person pursuing the driver as he exited from the vehicle a few moments afterward.

Further, it actually appears, by the change in the driver's demeanor that he was being fired upon right at the agent's initial contact, so the driver appears to step over quickly though was unable to in the (powder?) snow and possibly was reaching for a weapon to fire back in his own defense, but was put down too quickly from both the front and back by the two agents that had the one-up on him--as you see also a sniper is coming out from hiding in the trees aiming a long-rifle, just as witnesses had earlier stated.

The driver exited around 9:21, confronted at 9:28, reached for chest area at 9:29, attempts to run to front of vehicle at 9:30 to 9:32, reaches for chest area again at 9:32, and drops to the ground at 9:34, agents remain pointing weapons until 9:35 and then both agents retreat to the safety of their line of vehicles, meanwhile leaving the supposedly armed driver on the ground unrestrained to die, noting also the driver never appears to move once falling down--this indicates they delivered a kill shot and knew that they had done so, and perhaps even intended to do so.

Following the agents shooting, it appears they immediately delivered several flash-bang type devices around the vehicle, while remaining hidden from sight.

Regardless, the driver was assassinated within six-seconds of being contacted. Ergo, another instance of instant lethal-force by LEO.

Also, this violates general policy on felony stops, the vehicle occupants are commanded out one at a time in a uniform manner and arrested while a clear line of fire is established by the LEO on scene--it is against protocol to charge at an occupant into the line of fire.

There is no reason to charge an opponent unless intel would gather he might respond in self defense.
 
Will that make a difference to a jury of boobus?

Nope...this is all Boobus cares about:

Finally — again — I want to acknowledge the stress and disruption that the occupation of the refuge has caused has to the people of Harney County. We know this is difficult. We know that you want this concluded as soon as possible. We are doing everything we can to bring this to a resolution safely and quickly.

Just make the bad men with the bad thoughts go away please, and let me continue on my aimless and useless existence.
 
Poorly written, leftist, inflammatory, but insight into the general ineptitude and tactical moron-ary of the occupation:

ht tp://www.triplepundit.com/2016/01/deep-pockets-behind-oregon-takeover/

Second, and more to the honey-trap point, Ammon Bundy’s repeated calls for support are beginning to have some effect, and like-minded souls have begun to turn up in Burns and at the refuge, providing the FBI with a very convenient way to assemble a head count of every whackaloon in the U.S. who is ready and eager to participate in armed sedition, while affording those so inclined with ample opportunities to entangle themselves in Ammon Bundy’s growing net of criminal activity — which, by the way, has been liberally documented by the group’s own YouTube videos as well as by the media.

If he had figured it out, it would explain why Finicum had to be murdered.
 
Poorly written, leftist, inflammatory, but insight into the general ineptitude and tactical moron-ary of the occupation:

ht tp://www.triplepundit.com/2016/01/deep-pockets-behind-oregon-takeover/



If he had figured it out, it would explain why Finicum had to be murdered.

It was ill conceived and carried out from start to finish. Glen and I have taken this position from the beginning. Nothing about this op is rooted in anything other than a whim. Whims don't win win wars. They don'y even win battles. They get people imprisoned or deaded. OPs have to be planned. From beginning to end. Even if end is an ex-fil. And good Lawd almighty who ever thought of putting all the leadership into one un-escorted convoy? Unless it was an inside agent.
 
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It was ill conceived and carried out from start to finish. Glen and I have taken this position from the beginning. Nothing about this op is rooted in anything other than a whim. Whims don't win win wars. They don'y even win battles. They get people imprisoned or deaded. OPs have to be planned. From beginning to end. Even id end is an ex-fil. and good Lawd almighty who ever thought od putting all the leadership into one un-escorted convoy? Unless it was an inside agent.

Truth. Outta rep. Just because I think the entire Op was ill conceived and counterproductive from head to toe doesn't mean I don't sympathize with them, or that I'm not angry over this clear and obvious murder.

This looks like a straight cold blooded murder to me:



I am incensed at the bloodthirsty Governor and police who forced this to a violent conclusion when that was totally unnecessary.

I am outraged at all the "good little citizens" around America who have been calling for their blood from the very beginning. Some of the same people calling for their blood almost certainly participated in "Occupy" protests, damned hypocrites.

I am less angry (but still angry) at the subset of the supporters of this Op who seem to think and openly accuse anyone who does not support THIS SPECIFIC OP of cowardice, when that's straight up bullshit. I'll go and lay down my life THIS VERY MINUTE if I think it will have a significantly positive outcome. If I can look at something and KNOW from the start that it won't do any good, but that it can only make things worse, then why FFS would I go off and die to promote an op that I know can only make things worse?

I am 100% all for an active militia in the US. I was 100% in favor of the Bundy Ranch op. I was 100% in favor of the Sugar Pine Mine op. I said from the start that this one was a bad idea and that it would only make things worse. Lo and behold all the good will the militias had garnered defending the Bundy Ranch is now spent, and we are worse off today than we were before that time. It. Did. Not. Help. It made things worse. I was hated by the Republicans in NC for telling them truth that they did not want to hear, and I have been hated by supporters of this Op for telling truth that people did not want to hear. Fine. I learned long ago that it was my lot in life to be right when all the world is wrong, and thus to be hated for having been right. I'm used to it by now.

There is someone else who falls into that same category, and that is Ron Paul. As you would expect, the negative effects of the Cassandra syndrome are significantly diminished on RPFs as compared to elsewhere, but there are still a few of you boiling mad that anyone dares to think this was a bad idea. It's time to come to terms with the idea that one can be boiling mad at the feds and the local police for what they did here, that one can be 100% in favor of real armed militia ops, and still recognize that this specific op was a bad idea right from the jump.

If you still can't process that concept, fine. I don't need people around me who are allergic to truth.

It is a horrific tragedy that LaVoy was murdered by the feds in cold blood. And murdered in cold blood he was. Nothing but sadness has come out of this event, and dozens of hard-core Patriots who we will need in the future when it comes to take the right stand will now be locked away in prison when that day comes. A key component to tactical and strategic victory is to have the realism necessary to recognize when an operation does not work, and to learn to avoid the same mistakes in the future. In that light, some good things HAVE come out of this op in the form of lessons learned:

1) In any operation, once in the AO plan to stay there for the duration. No matter how much the feds promise safe passage in and out of the area, it is a lie, they are setting you up.

2) Never, never, never put all of your entire leadership into the same boat. If whatever situation requires the leadership to travel, they must be dispersed amongst as many transports as possible with as much separation between them as possible, and if possible, each of them taking completely different routes.

3) Public opinion is at least as important if not more important than tactical advantage. This is 4GW now, we no longer live in a 3GW world. Local overwhelming support is even more critical.

4) OPSEC must not be neglected. A big part of the reason this ended badly was because members were caught on camera saying things that should never have been broadcast. Absolutely use cameras and absolutely use live feeds -- these are critical for public and local support -- but keep identities off camera as much as possible, and for heaven's sake never ever discuss anything strategic, tactical, or involving readiness in front of one.

5) The leadership of any given Op must come from militias local to the situation who are invested in the issue and in the community. If the local militias do not want the Op, then don't do it. Live to fight another day.
 
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The fact that Bundy thought they had backers, the lack of a clear mission objective, the government's hands-off approach until things were wrapping up anyway, and the way the whole thing just was set up to fail from the beginning makes me strongly suspect the honey trap theory.
 
Close-up of the shooting of Lavoy Finicum



VIDEO 1 Long Gun Shooter
mark 8 thru 13 show when he dropped his hands
I see 3 movements to the inside: 2 with his left hand/arm to his pocket and 1 with his right hand/arm to inside his coat
@8 & 9: 2 movements appear as left hand reaches (twice) into left pocket
@ 10: a quick move with left arm fully extended out towards his truck, starts to pivot
@ 11: he pivots to face his truck
@ 12: finishing pivot, he reaches right arm across his chest to left side inside of his coat (his third movement)
@13: he stiffens and stands straight up, clearly being hit from long gunner closing in on his left

VIDEO 2 Hand Gun Shooter
@23: Clearly shows shooter on his right FIRING before and as his hands came down
he was taking hits DURING THE ABOVE 3 MOVEMENTS from the hand gun shooter on his right.

ENHANCED

 
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That looks like drone footage, btw. FBI said it came from a plane. I don't think so. Doesn't look like plane footage. Planes don't maneuver like that.

Of course, that may have been mentioned here already. I haven't read the thread since yesterday.
 
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