Shots fired, Bundy arrested

[youngbuck]

What the F* weapon was the L.E.O. using to the left of LaVoy?

A pistol...

 

[phill4paul]

A pistol...

Pretty sure he was using a handgun.

Pretty sure he was using a handgun.

Yeah. Something looked real disproporitonal to me and it was because the Fed was up to snow almost to his knees. Mea Culpa. Old eyes. :o

 

[phill4paul]

They murdered him. He got out. He wasn't "charging them." Sure, from this footage it is easy to claim that "his hands went to his waist." But if you look at the back end of 9:32 it is the agent that was advancing towards hem, gun drawn, a direct threat, that may have caused him to reach for his weapon. In fact I believe it was this agent jumping from the tree line that created the Fed narrative.

 

[Weston White]

better odds giving up IF you really want to live. or go down in a blaze of glory. On your knees or on your feet. Not too many choices.

...Or you can trust the FBI at their word and surrender to their promise of being allowed to leave without consequence--then come to find out that you first have to identify yourself at their armed checkpoint and then have about a 40% chance of being arrested on a federal felony.

 

[phill4paul]

He looks like he's trying to AVOID ramming into them, he came up on them pretty fast. He gets out, hands up, and for all YOU know, they demand he drops his side arm, which he was probably trying to do, if you have watched any videos of him and listened to how people around him referred to him. He always wanted things to resolve peacefully - although he did state that he would never be taken alive. And of course, the pig gov't knew that because they've been monitoring social media and they set this ambush up. And if you watch closely, you can see one of those pigs kick him after he's been killed.

Deb , I could give you 1 million reps and still not have given enough. I think you have hit it on the nail head. This is why they have not released the vehicle and personal vid which would include audio. Release THAT Mofo's!

 

[Origanalist]

He came out, his hands are up. Something made him change that, we will never know what that something was.

 

[Deborah K]

If you watch the whole video, you'll clearly see the second male exiting the truck and throwing what is probably his side arm in the snow before he approaches. The pigs most likely demanded Finicum to do the same and shot him anyway because they already knew it would look like he was drawing his weapon. They are cunning that way.

 

[wizardwatson]

He came out, his hands are up. Something made him change that, we will never know what that something was.

If you watch the whole video, you'll clearly see the second male exiting the truck and throwing what is probably his side arm in the snow before he approaches. The pigs most likely demanded Finicum to do the same and shot him anyway because they already knew it would look like he was drawing his weapon. They are cunning that way.

Could be. But all his actions were erratic. The driving, the crashing, the getting out of the car, the walking instead of freezing. Even if one of the cops was yelling "drop your weapon" while another may have been yelling "freeze", no court is going to find fault in how the cops handled it. If he was indeed trying to comply with a disarm order by removing his pistol, it was simply his last bad decision in a series. Always freeze, freeze, freeze, unless you're absolutely sure all the cops yelling at you want you to take a specific action.

 

[Origanalist]

If you watch the whole video, you'll clearly see the second male exiting the truck and throwing what is probably his side arm in the snow before he approaches. The pigs most likely demanded Finicum to do the same and shot him anyway because they already knew it would look like he was drawing his weapon. They are cunning that way.

This video shows to me that he was coached into making a gesture that justified them murdering him. He clearly came out in a position of surrender.

 

[Origanalist]

Could be. But all his actions were erratic. The driving, the crashing, the getting out of the car, the walking instead of freezing. Even if one of the cops was yelling "drop your weapon" while another may have been yelling "freeze", no court is going to find fault in how the cops handled it. If he was indeed trying to comply with a disarm order by removing his pistol, it was simply his last bad decision in a series. Always freeze, freeze, freeze, unless you're absolutely sure all the cops yelling at you want you to take a specific action.

You get your ass pulled over out in the middle of nowhere with that kind of firepower and a chopper hovering over you and see how nervous you become. It was a set up and they executed it.

 

[Deborah K]

A good lawyer could prove this was a planned ambush. As I stated earlier, he fled the original stop because they fired shots at them. Then he came up so fast on the road block he had to swerve to miss hitting them. He immediately surrendered. WTF! They were waiting in the f'kn trees!! They KICKED him after they KILLED him!!!! Where's your head man?!

 

[Weston White]

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Assemblywoman Shelly Shelton
Nevada
District 10

Assemblywoman Shelly Shelton
Yesterday at 12:00am ·
In any given generation there are men who are willing to stand for what they believe. Most of the time they are demonized and the uninformed are made to believe they are criminals. From Moses who killed an Egyptian for abusing his people, to Jesus who died on a cross as a condemned criminal, many of those who operate outside the box and promote love and justice over the current form of government are treated as outcasts and many times murdered.


Today we were reminded that the power of evil is still alive and well as LaVoy Finicum was gunned down and murdered in Oregon. LaVoy was a man who had documented the suffering to which he and his family had been subjected, via the heavy hand of the government, through his writings and his videos.
Unlike his executioners the value of his life didn't depend on the value of his salary or his pension. The value of his life came from his sacrifice for others. When he saw similar injustices imposed on the Bundy family he went to help. When he saw injustice towards the Hammonds in Oregon the value of his life was demonstrated daily as he promoted change to stop the injustice.

His position always remained steadfast. His offense was education and action. His defense was his God given 2nd amendment right.
Recently he showed his concern for those who had previously been abused by the same government by providing video evidence that proved the Paiute artifacts in Oregon were safe and available for them to finally possess as their own - even as the Paiute, having been beaten down into submission and reliance on the government, spoke badly of him. Moses suffered the same fate as those who were afraid of freedom, preferring dependence, turned against him in the wilderness.

Lavoy Finicum was a hard working rancher and family man. He was the definition of a patriot and a Godly man of love and kindness. He represented the spirit of patriotism, justice, bravery and honesty that didn't put "getting home safe to his family" over integrity. Men like that have defended and built great civilizations for centuries. Today they are almost extinct.

For any who feel he was a criminal, like those who felt Moses and Jesus were criminals, I would implore you to investigate the peaceful work that Lavoy did in his life from the Bundy Ranch where thousands protested without a shot fired, to today in Oregon, where the shots fired came from the government at an unarmed Lavoy Finicum.

Lavoy will be missed by our family. He will either be the first of many to stand up against the corrupt government we have created or he will be the last to stand.

Time will tell.

 

[wizardwatson]

You get your ass pulled over out in the middle of nowhere with that kind of firepower and a chopper hovering over you and see how nervous you become. It was a set up and they executed it.

I actually have been pulled over at night, and had 4 squad cars with pistols and shotguns drawn on me. You do get nervous. But his actions indicate to me that he wasn't complying. Him not complying would be one thing under normal circumstances in a planned scenario. But he fled into a roadblock changing the cops tactical setup. The guy in the woods who it looks like got the kill shot was probably a less experienced guy who was never intended to see any action. He was backup for the roadblock which itself was backup.

My opinion based on the video is that Lavoy is lucky he didn't get others in that vehicle killed. The fact that the FBI even released this video shows how confident they are legally that this is a no brainer.

 

[phill4paul]

Finicum could have made it around the road block. An agent stepper out in front of his path ( 9:17) and instead of continueing, running over the agent and getting around the roadblock he chose the ditch. Proving mal-intent! Fuck!

 

[Thor]

Looks like an execution to me...

 

[JK/SEA]

murdered.

 

[Origanalist]

I actually have been pulled over at night, and had 4 squad cars with pistols and shotguns drawn on me. You do get nervous. But his actions indicate to me that he wasn't complying. Him not complying would be one thing under normal circumstances in a planned scenario. But he fled into a roadblock changing the cops tactical setup. The guy in the woods who it looks like got the kill shot was probably a less experienced guy who was never intended to see any action. He was backup for the roadblock which itself was backup.

My opinion based on the video is that Lavoy is lucky he didn't get others in that vehicle killed. The fact that the FBI even released this video shows how confident they are legally that this is a no brainer.

Of course they're confident. Damn, I thought you were somewhat intelligent. That completely uninformative video completely favors their pre determined narrative. it couldn't be more cut and paste.

 

[Ender]

I actually have been pulled over at night, and had 4 squad cars with pistols and shotguns drawn on me. You do get nervous. But his actions indicate to me that he wasn't complying. Him not complying would be one thing under normal circumstances in a planned scenario. But he fled into a roadblock changing the cops tactical setup. The guy in the woods who it looks like got the kill shot was probably a less experienced guy who was never intended to see any action. He was backup for the roadblock which itself was backup.

My opinion based on the video is that Lavoy is lucky he didn't get others in that vehicle killed. The fact that the FBI even released this video shows how confident they are legally that this is a no brainer.

According to the eye witness, he was not armed and his hands went down when he slipped a bit, trying to plow through slippery snow.

Also- if he had NOT gotten out of the car, everyone in it probably would have been shot.

 

[phill4paul]

According to the eye witness, he was not armed and his hands went down when he slipped a bit, trying to plow through slippery snow.

Also- if he had NOT gotten out of the car, everyone in it probably would have been shot.

While his hands are low he even gestures to the vehicle. Not something someone would do if intending a shoot out.

 

[Origanalist]

While his hands are low he even gestures to the vehicle. Not something someone would do if intending a shoot out.

Will that make a difference to a jury of boobus?