Shots fired, Bundy arrested

[pcosmar]

Certainly. But, I'm not sitting behind a key board and admonishing everyone else for doing nothing while...doing nothing. I believed this op was ill planned from the beginning. What idiot decides to remove the entire leadership from the refuge and put them in a convoy with a known destination?

Had been wondering the same,,

and the Fed infiltration is the reason for militia ineffectiveness more than anything else.

 

[phill4paul]

Had been wondering the same,,

and the Fed infiltration is the reason for militia ineffectiveness more than anything else.

I've heard that Ryan Payne was supposedly the Tac Op for the refuge. If he is charged with it's defense then why the hell would he remove himself? Why put the entire leadership in a convoy with a known destination without an escort. Brandon Curtiss with the III% said that if he had been told the PPN would have provided convoy protection.

 

[goldenequity]

I've heard that Ryan Payne was supposedly the Tac Op for the refuge. If he is charged with it's defense then why the hell would he remove himself? Why put the entire leadership in a convoy with a known destination without an escort. Brandon Curtiss with the III% said that if he had been told the PPN would have provided convoy protection.

Good point.
Have not heard from Brandon Curtiss since arrests.

 

[JK/SEA]

I don't understand this. If the people who thought this op was a good idea can't be bothered to go and do anything, then why do you think the people who thought it was a bad idea should do more than those? I mean, you thought the op was a good idea, and I don't see you picking up a rifle and rolling into battle, but you want the people who thought it was a bad idea to go and die in your place?

I don't understand this position of yours at all.

you have your reasons, and i have mine.

 

[pcosmar]

I've heard that Ryan Payne was supposedly the Tac Op for the refuge. If he is charged with it's defense then why the hell would he remove himself? Why put the entire leadership in a convoy with a known destination without an escort. Brandon Curtiss with the III% said that if he had been told the PPN would have provided convoy protection.

some of my questions,,
several things very wrong,, but why they had no cover is a big one.
I understood that Payne was acting as personal security,, and not overall tac/ops.
something feels wrong.

 

[phill4paul]

Good point.
Have not heard from Brandon Curtiss since arrests.

Not much....

https://www.facebook.com/brandon.curtiss.90?fref=ts

 

[phill4paul]

some of my questions,,
several things very wrong,, but why they had no cover is a big one.
I understood that Payne was acting as personal security,, and not overall tac/ops.
something feels wrong.

I think he was trying to run the whole show just like many accused him of back at the Ranch. To what purpose whether nefarious or simply egotistical I have no idea at this time.

 

[Badger Paul]

"I DON'T believe in the process and you're a fool if you do. And I'll stay right here despite your belief that you are the director of all things RPF's. "

I'm no director, I'm just giving you some friendly advice. Nearly 29,000 posts since 2007 on a website supposedly devoted to political activism and you're basically calling armed revolution by this point and all I can say is you've wasted your time. But, it's yours to do so.

And that goes for everyone. Do the moderators of RPF want half the posts to be about politics and the campaign and the other half consisting of takeover plots that might interest the FBI? Because that's where its headed. That's how alienated people are. They're not worried about the campaign. I don't disagree with anything that's been said about corruption or in some cases unconstitutional action. But since that's been going on in all governments and institutions since the beginning of time in all nations, shooting off your guns or taking control of a Post Office isn't going to change it. Life goes on, you make the most of it where you can and how you can legally. That's what I believe and if others disagree that's fine. But the Paul movement and RPF in monitoring it is largely statist - because it is going through the legitimate political process and does what it does through that process and believes in that process, like it or not. If you reject that, fine. But you're wasting your time being here then. I don't want censorship but I'm not going to be a party to people's Tea Party fantasies either and as I said, I hope the website and those running it aren't smeared or harassed by it either.

 

[goldenequity]

Latest LIVE Refuge... sad. crazies in charge..

 

[dannno]

I'm no director, I'm just giving you some friendly advice. Nearly 29,000 posts since 2007 on a website supposedly devoted to political activism and you're basically calling armed revolution by this point and all I can say is you've wasted your time. But, it's yours to do so.

Nah, I'm just tired of hearing some dude yammer on who thinks what the Hammond's lawyer said under threat as some sort of gospel truth about what the Hammonds actually think.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I've heard that Ryan Payne was supposedly the Tac Op for the refuge. If he is charged with it's defense then why the hell would he remove himself? Why put the entire leadership in a convoy with a known destination without an escort. Brandon Curtiss with the III% said that if he had been told the PPN would have provided convoy protection.

If what I was heard is correct, Ryan Payne has multiple gunshot wounds from the recent shootout/arrest.

If true, while it reduces the credibility of his being a fed provocateur, it increases the possibility of his simply being an undisciplined hothead. I obviously do not know what happened, but i would not be surprised if Payne lost his cool and LaVoy Finicum got caught in the crossfire.

 

[dannno]

Clinton Foundation took massive payoffs, promised Hammond Ranch and other publicly owned lands to Russians along with one-fifth of our uranium ore.

https://www.intellihub.com/clinton-...nd-ranch-other-publically-owned-lands-russia/

I'm dissecting this in a separate thread later, but worth the read, especially for guys like Badger Paul who seem to have no idea what is actually going on in this country.

 

[goldenequity]

Again.

New LIVE Refuge:

 

[phill4paul]

"I DON'T believe in the process and you're a fool if you do. And I'll stay right here despite your belief that you are the director of all things RPF's. "

I'm no director, I'm just giving you some friendly advice. Nearly 29,000 posts since 2007 on a website supposedly devoted to political activism and you're basically calling armed revolution by this point and all I can say is you've wasted your time. But, it's yours to do so.

And that goes for everyone. Do the moderators of RPF want half the posts to be about politics and the campaign and the other half consisting of takeover plots that might interest the FBI? Because that's where its headed. That's how alienated people are. They're not worried about the campaign. I don't disagree with anything that's been said about corruption or in some cases unconstitutional action. But since that's been going on in all governments and institutions since the beginning of time in all nations, shooting off your guns or taking control of a Post Office isn't going to change it. Life goes on, you make the most of it where you can and how you can legally. That's what I believe and if others disagree that's fine. But the Paul movement and RPF in monitoring it is largely statist - because it is going through the legitimate political process and does what it does through that process and believes in that process, like it or not. If you reject that, fine. But you're wasting your time being here then. I don't want censorship but I'm not going to be a party to people's Tea Party fantasies either and as I said, I hope the website and those running it aren't smeared or harassed by it either.

I neither solicited nor care for your advise. Friendly or otherwise. Perhaps it was the activism and the result and a greater knowledge which came from it that leads me to the point of belief that a peaceful change may not be possible. Doesn't mean you don't try for one and prepare for the other. This is the Ron Paul Forums. It's also the Rand Paul forums. It's also the Liberty Forest. There are many paths towards liberty through the forest. Simply because you believe in one and excoriate any others does not afford you the right to tell others they should leave. If you don't want to be a party to it, well...the log out button is only a mouse click away.

 

[Weston White]

"What justice do you bring your constituents by discounting the causation of this entire incident?"

You mean the half of the county that works for the BLM or other federal agencies or how about the employees at wildlife refuge who couldn't get to their jobs because these yahoos took over the main building? What about the Hammonds who didn't want them there in the first place. Take your pick.

These guys wanted a confrontation with the Feds, they practically begged for it, and they got their wish. One dead and the rest in jail. Some revolution.

When the next stand-off over Federal lands takes place, may please our militia symps take their activities to another website so RPF doesn't get smeared as a militia hub site. Luckily for Rand he's so low in the polls no one bothered to notice. Believe me it would have been different otherwise This is a site for political activism, not bunker plotting.

Wow, you just added several more points that increase disfavor against the BLM and feds general. Good job buddy. And what difference at this point does it make if they get to their job? None, they are stilling being paid and their job entails NOTHING of any practical consequence.

 

[JK/SEA]

badger paul is a FED.

pretty obvious.

posts shit just like those dildoe obsessive fucks in those chats on the tubes and FB.

 

[phill4paul]

If what I was heard is correct, Ryan Payne has multiple gunshot wounds from the recent shootout/arrest.

If true, while it reduces the credibility of his being a fed provocateur, it increases the possibility of his simply being an undisciplined hothead. I obviously do not know what happened, but i would not be surprised if Payne lost his cool and LaVoy Finicum got caught in the crossfire.

Negative. False reporting in the beginning. Only LaVoy was shot (and killed). Ryan Bundy received shrapnel wounds. There are two accounts of the actual shooting. One is from a driver in Ammons car that was told, second hand, by Payne that LaVoy charged the Feds. The second is from, I believe the 18 yr. old girl (I posted her interview earlier) that was in LaVoys car that said the Feds gunned him down in cold blood. Put suspicion on Payne and his account to me. Everything still in flux and we are still trying to sort it out.

 

[Badger Paul]

"There are many paths towards liberty through the forest. Simply because you believe in one and excoriate any others does not afford you the right to tell others they should leave."

It isn't a path to liberty. It's path to a cell or a coffin. I'm only saying what I'm saying because I don't want to see innocent people snagged by your delusions. That's why I believe a choice should be made, because you can't reconcile the two.

 

[Badger Paul]

"badger paul is a FED."

If was a Fed I wouldn't be writing what I am writing. Think about all those alleged informants inside the militias. You'll find they're not the ones calling for prudence and calm.

 

[phill4paul]

"There are many paths towards liberty through the forest. Simply because you believe in one and excoriate any others does not afford you the right to tell others they should leave."

It isn't a path to liberty. It's path to a cell or a coffin. I'm only saying what I'm saying because I don't want to see innocent people snagged by your delusions. That's why I believe a choice should be made, because you can't reconcile the two.

It most certainly can be a path to liberty. It is our nations history. Or did they leave that out of your public education? If you feel so vehement then message Bryan. It is his site and I will continue to post what I choose to until he decides otherwise. No matter how much it consternates your delicate sensibilities.