sh** getting rowdy! #OccupyWallStreet

[Lafayette]

So you would then argue that it is easier to convince a neocon to be a non-interventionist than showing a 'marxist' the merits of the free market? Is that your experience? I've convinced both, but sometimes I think it is easier to show a 'marxist' the merits of the free market.

I would agree, but can we also convince them to support the DR. then to register as a Republican and vote for Ron in the primary? All within as little as two weeks to a few months?

Is it worth it to turn off republican voters?

 

[Birdlady]

So you would then argue that it is easier to convince a neocon to be a non-interventionist than showing a 'marxist' the merits of the free market? Is that your experience? I've convinced both, but sometimes I think it is easier to show a 'marxist' the merits of the free market.

This is what I'm trying to say. We need to convince anyone and everyone we can and shouldn't immediately brush someone off in my opinion. We don't have that much extra support to be abandoning people like this. Even though some of them might not like this message, I bet at least some would and they are active people too. It takes a lot of passion to go down there and protest like this. We need more active people within the grassroots in my opinion.

How is going down there as an individual, talking to people going to turn off republican supporters? Who is even going to know about it? I really think some of you are paranoid or give the media a bit too much credit.

 

[ThePursuitOfLiberty]

Ron Paul's campaign is more than the office of the Presidency - it's a true, genuine revolution.

Although many of these people do not see corporatism vs. capitalism as something different, guess what? NEITHER DID I AT ONE POINT!

In 2004 - I thought that every corporation was bad, all businesses were wrong.... then, I "woke up" and started to listen to others.
After reading and educating myself, I realized there was SO MUCH MORE to this fight.

Everyone at these protests have HEART, they KNOW that what is going on in this country and world is NOT good, they understand that the corruption MUST END.
They are RIPE for the picking! I am not saying we go down there and pass out Ron Paul literature - but these people are OPEN to TRUE CHANGE.

If we can convert a dozen of those people that are there camping out for, now, 15 days.... What will that sort of commitment do for our movement?

We are all sitting here on a Forums website arguing back and forth while these people are lying in the rain, protesting day in and day out, and barely eating any food doing so..... And the couch potato activists are going to COMPLAIN if we want to try and recruit them to our side?

Quit being so short-sighted on this subject - every single one of us at one point were not fully-educated on this revolution, didn't understand certain issues, and quite frankly - probably never imagined to be so engrained in this movement like we are.

We need to stop being nit-pickers and realize that we are a part of something BIGGER than the Presidency. Hell, the guy we all adore and who is running for the Presidency SAID THE SAME EXACT THING.

Open up your eyes - this revolution, although different in those participants, can do nothing but HELP Paul's message long-term.
And quite frankly - Paul's message is bigger than each and every one of us combined and I will strongly defend anyone who has a backbone and spine big enough to do what these protesters have done in the past fifteen days. (Even though most are skewed in their thinking)

 

[Proph]

I just saying don't head downtown and pass out slim jims or hold up RP signs, doesn't mean you couldn't talk to groups about Paul.

Like others have said, the media will spin anything related to Paul and these protests/arrests.

Doubtful. The media doesn't want to seem to cover either of us.

I agree with why they are doing the protest (corporatism). However, I don't agree with how they intend to fix it. Instead of realizing that government is the reason we're in this mess, they believe that the government is the solution (by punishing those "evil" corporations).

If individuals or groups want to go down there and educate or hand stuff out on their own, I think that's great. The official campaign should probably stay away from it, though.

 

[TER]

I agree that going down there with 'Ron Paul for President' banners might not work...

Educational material being handed out is a better idea. Even still, if I'm going down there, I'm wearing my Ron Paul shirt.

 

[Lafayette]

Look, no one is saying don't go out their and spread freemarket ideas or support Dr Paul.

Just don't have a freaking sign wave on the Brooklyn bridge as you dodge NYPD nightsticks.

 

[Birdlady]

Ron Paul's campaign is more than the office of the Presidency - it's a true, genuine revolution.

Although many of these people do not see corporatism vs. capitalism as something different, guess what? NEITHER DID I AT ONE POINT!

In 2004 - I thought that every corporation was bad, all businesses were wrong.... then, I "woke up" and started to listen to others.
After reading and educating myself, I realized there was SO MUCH MORE to this fight.

Everyone at these protests have HEART, they KNOW that what is going on in this country and world is NOT good, they understand that the corruption MUST END.
They are RIPE for the picking! I am not saying we go down there and pass out Ron Paul literature - but these people are OPEN to TRUE CHANGE.

If we can convert a dozen of those people that are there camping out for, now, 15 days.... What will that sort of commitment do for our movement?

We are all sitting here on a Forums website arguing back and forth while these people are lying in the rain, protesting day in and day out, and barely eating any food doing so..... And the couch potato activists are going to COMPLAIN if we want to try and recruit them to our side?

Quit being so short-sighted on this subject - every single one of us at one point were not fully-educated on this revolution, didn't understand certain issues, and quite frankly - probably never imagined to be so engrained in this movement like we are.

We need to stop being nit-pickers and realize that we are a part of something BIGGER than the Presidency. Hell, the guy we all adore and who is running for the Presidency SAID THE SAME EXACT THING.

Open up your eyes - this revolution, although different in those participants, can do nothing but HELP Paul's message long-term.
And quite frankly - Paul's message is bigger than each and every one of us combined and I will strongly defend anyone who has a backbone and spine big enough to do what these protesters have done in the past fifteen days. (Even though most are skewed in their thinking)

You win the thread.

Looking back at my youth, I could have very easily become one of the people down there. I listened to RATM and thought the govt, corporations and everything was evil. I didn't know what the solution was though. I just knew something wasn't right.

There are A LOT of people down there with this same idea and they need guided. Not all of them are set in their ways. Honestly I'd probably wear a rage shirt and then go talk to people. It seems backwards, but it would work... haha

 

[RIPLEYMOM]

Why don't some of you who are good at making videos, use this opportunity to get Ron Paul's ideas out. People all over the world will be searching the internet for information and answers to these significant Protests very soon. Our lame corporatist media will be spinning. We need our finest to be found on searches; educating, encouraging, and convincing Americans and the world that there is hope. Sorry, but I really feel a sense of urgency.

 

[Karsten]

Two words... November 5th.

 

[Chainspell]

You win the thread.

Looking back at my youth, I could have very easily become one of the people down there. I listened to RATM and thought the govt, corporations and everything was evil. I didn't know what the solution was though. I just knew something wasn't right.

There are A LOT of people down there with this same idea and they need guided. Not all of them are set in their ways. Honestly I'd probably wear a rage shirt and then go talk to people. It seems backwards, but it would work... haha

Maybe we should bring them some food and some direction. We will look compassionate without really protesting. And they will be more willing to listen to us if we bring food and bandages...

Just a suggestion since they're probably not eating over there. We can go under an unofficial Ron Paul banner.

 

[-C-]

If Ron Paul would support HR 1489, the restoration of Glass-Steagall laws to begin restructuring the federal reserve debt, and ending the federal reserve, I bet he would be amazed at suddenly how much labor backing he would get, which is where all these people protesting are getting their support.

This is how you can reach out to these sorts of people, without being seen on the ground. Support Glass-Steagall as a means to End the Fed and suddenly the actual organized labor block of this will pay attention. Until then...Ron Paul is nothing but an assault on organized labor to them...have to throw them a bone.

 

[sailingaway]

I would agree, but can we also convince them to support the DR. then to register as a Republican and vote for Ron in the primary? All within as little as two weeks to a few months?

Is it worth it to turn off republican voters?

NY has an Oct 14 deadline to switch registration, if anyone is actually attempting this task....

Our folks ARE there, some of them, but layered in, it sounds like, keeping their own identity. Individuals are going to do different things.

 

[sailingaway]

If Ron Paul would support HR 1489, the restoration of Glass-Steagall laws to begin restructuring the federal reserve debt, and ending the federal reserve, I bet he would be amazed at suddenly how much labor backing he would get, which is where all these people protesting are getting their support.

This is how you can reach out to these sorts of people, without being seen on the ground. Support Glass-Steagall as a means to End the Fed and suddenly the actual organized labor block of this will pay attention. Until then...Ron Paul is nothing but an assault on organized labor to them...have to throw them a bone.

Ron voted against ending Glass Steagall to begin with.

 

[Chainspell]

Why don't some of you who are good at making videos, use this opportunity to get Ron Paul's ideas out. People all over the world will be searching the internet for information and answers to these significant Protests very soon. Our lame corporatist media will be spinning. We need our finest to be found on searches; educating, encouraging, and convincing Americans and the world that there is hope. Sorry, but I really feel a sense of urgency.

Heya what kind of video did you gave in mind?i can make something.

im from Washington too

 

[ThePursuitOfLiberty]

Maybe we should bring them some food and some direction. We will look compassionate without really protesting. And they will be more willing to listen to us if we bring food and bandages...

Just a suggestion since they're probably not eating over there. We can go under an unofficial Ron Paul banner.

That's a great idea - seriously. One of the best replies on this thread.

 

[RIPLEYMOM]

Heya what kind of video did you gave in mind?i can make something.

Hi Chainspell,
I thought some of the good insight found on this thread would make a great video. Maybe videos that are found easily on searches because the name of the title ties into the protests. People will be searching for answers, not spin. I think just being genuine and getting the answer out by reaching out to people who may be scared. Many out there are not as prepared for this as RP supporters are.

 

[Tod]

Going to the protest to join with them in solidarity over the Fed and Corporatism is different from the US installing the Shah as Iranian ruler HOW? It could only come back to bite us, and bite us BIG.

 

[Proph]

That's a great idea - seriously. One of the best replies on this thread.

emr1028 started another thread about this methinks. I believe he was originally planning on using books, but he might have switched to water/slimjims instead. For those that might not know, when we talk about handing out slim-jims or water...they will have literature attached to them in some way. It's not just going up to people and saying "agree with me and you get food." I saw someone point that out in the other thread and realized that new people might not know exactly what we were talking about.

 

[Cowlesy]

Yeah we should go down there and associate Ron Paul with Michael Moore!!

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/michael-moore-on-occupy-wall-street-were-the-majority-never-forget-that/


And I love their list of demands. Some of them aren't bad. But they want to "end Joblessness" and "wealth inequality." Good luck you dumb marxists.
https://occupywallst.org/forum/a-message-from-occupied-wall-street-day-five/

 

[One Last Battle!]

No. I believe that occupywallstreet is a psyops to disrupt the real movements such as Ron Pauls civil liberties movement. divide and consquer ,and discredit. Why do you think the MSM so conveniently reports about them instead of "END THE FED"?I believe coalitions of socialists and individual liberty advocates is a complete oxymoron and disaster to what we strive to achieve. At that point, forget even challenging corruption when you side with corruption.

I believe that the Ron Paul campaign is a psyops to disrupt real libertarianism, by providing a harmless way to vent anger rather than allowing a real libertarian to take the reins or allowing someone who could actually win to lead the way.

***OBVIOUSLY I DON'T BELIEVE THIS. However, I have come across people who believe that almost exactly, and their belief is exactly as silly as your belief that the group that organized this (specifically, a group of Anons) is a pysops, which it seems like a rather shameful amount of people believe any form of protest, act of rebellion, etc from a group we disagree with to be.