sh** getting rowdy! #OccupyWallStreet

[John F Kennedy III]

that guy has no idea what he advocates saying "building coalitions"........makes me sick.We cannot be diverted into the mindless grind of lemming chants. the occupywallstreet is a diversion of agitated citizens, directed towards capitalism and with marxist values.

Then we should stay as far away from them as possible. I am against marxism/socialism/communism.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

These people are recognizing real problems. Which is half the problem. The other half of the problem of course is some of the ridiculous solutions some of these people recommend.

So, yes, we do need to build coalitions with them. We do need to explain how liberty is a better solution than socialism. Otherwise they may just end up pushing for more government thinking it will solve the problems.

Just maybe not now. Now they aren't likely in a frame of mind to listen.

No. I believe that occupywallstreet is a psyops to disrupt the real movements such as Ron Pauls civil liberties movement. divide and consquer ,and discredit. Why do you think the MSM so conveniently reports about them instead of "END THE FED"?I believe coalitions of socialists and individual liberty advocates is a complete oxymoron and disaster to what we strive to achieve. At that point, forget even challenging corruption when you side with corruption.

 

[harikaried]

I believe coalitions of socialists and individual liberty advocates is a complete oxymoron and disaster to what we strive to achieve. At that point, forget even challenging corruption when you side with corruption.

Just like a coalition of Republicans (some of those who supported war with Iraq) and Democrats (some of those who supported war with Afghanistan) makes no sense, and we shouldn't bother finding those that are open to discussion and can agree on ending the fed?

Do you think it's more likely to find someone that wants to end the fed in that crowd vs finding a person randomly?

 

[Revolution9]

It's about building coalitions. People are mad about the corporate bailouts and corporatism. Find like-minded people and educate the truth.

Getting donations is a good idea. Flyers is not. Get to them AFTER they get back from the ..what has all appearances of being.. a cointelpro data mining op in hand with the marxist think tanks.

Rev9

 

[TER]

We should go there wearing Ron Paul gear and pass out pocket Constitutions.

 

[erowe1]

We should go there wearing Mitt Romney gear and pass out Communist Manifestos.

 

[Revolution9]

No. I believe that occupywallstreet is a psyops to disrupt the real movements such as Ron Pauls civil liberties movement. divide and consquer ,and discredit. Why do you think the MSM so conveniently reports about them instead of "END THE FED"?I believe coalitions of socialists and individual liberty advocates is a complete oxymoron and disaster to what we strive to achieve. At that point, forget even challenging corruption when you side with corruption.

I agree with this assessment. Get the innocents attending the protests AFTER they get back if we are going to countermine this group for the benefit of freedom and liberty. Let them know these types of events diffuse the focus lie tilting a magnifying glass away from the highest temperature focal point.. The tops of Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Bank of America, Citibank, Deutschebank. Alot of Wall Street trades to satisfy the needs of their Grandma's pension fund.

Rev9

 

[Lafayette]

They have diagnosed the disease mostly correct, their cure however... may end up killing us all.

This is not the place to support Dr. Paul, it may be a good idea to pass out pro free market and anti-FED info though.

 

[dannno]

They think corporatism is capitalism. I doesn't make a difference though, they want both destroyed.

I got into a huge e-mail exchange yesterday with the head of Tea Party Nation.

Sometimes I think it is easier to educate "marxists" on the merits of the free market than it is to educate neocons about non-intervention.

 

[Carson]

It's about building coalitions. People are mad about the corporate bailouts and corporatism. Find like-minded people and educate the truth.

Capitalism ended forty years ago when we went off of the gold standard. Since then so much of the capital, capitalism functioned under has been stripped away through the back door socialism that fiat currency has allowed. Some inside of our country, and outside, have the ability to counterfeit the money supply when ever they want their way. Just the mere act of counterfeiting devalues all of the honest capital out there. No matter where you or your Aunt Martha have you savings or retirement hid, they can slither in, like vampires in the night and suck the life out of it.

The bullshit doesn't end there.

Say you earn a hundred thousand and buy a house or gold or invest in the stock market. When you earn it you pay about 33% income tax on it. Then when these counterfeiters devalue the currency and it takes ten times as much to buy things you go to sell your assets. Sure you get ten time as much when you sell and for decades your fooled into thinking your really getting ahead, but your not. You get ten times as much when you sell but the ten times as much still has the same purchasing power as on tenth did years ago. Plus the criminals now are cutting themselves in with capital gains taxes. There goes 33% again. Believe me. It doesn't end there!

I could go on and on.


P.S. Still I don't think going back to a strict gold standard is the only option. We just have needed to control the crooks for a long time. They started in on us before we even went off any gold standard.

Those little bumps during earlier times of war when we introduced fiat money into the system. We later worked it out of the system when the wars were over. It now appears they are at war with all of us.

 

[dannno]

This is not the place to support Dr. Paul, it may be a good idea to pass out pro free market and anti-FED info though.

What is the point if they don't know what to do with that information? (as in, support and vote for Ron Paul) ??

 

[Xenophage]

Passing out the right kinds of educational pamphlets wouldn't hurt. Something that explains the difference between capitalism and corporatism, and explains a capitalist's position on our economic woes, then directs the reader to websites and books with more information.

 

[Lafayette]

What is the point if they don't know what to do with that information? (as in, support and vote for Ron Paul) ??

I just saying don't head downtown and pass out slim jims or hold up RP signs, doesn't mean you couldn't talk to groups about Paul.

Like others have said, the media will spin anything related to Paul and these protests/arrests.

 

[JTforRP]

I think people afraid of associating Ron Paul with OWS need to buck up. Ron Paul isn't going to win this election the way people normally do. Period. We NEED a COMPLETE revolution to come close. This is the same as people being afraid of Ron Paul preaching about legalizing marijuana. Ron Paul is a common sense man and should say common sense things. If the people come around, good. If they don't, we're all fucked. Let's stop beating around the bush. I wish there were Ron Paul sings all over that bridge.

 

[69360]

I have no problem with RP speaking about ending the drug wars.

I think associating with these people is toxic to the campaign.

 

[dannno]

I think people afraid of associating Ron Paul with OWS need to buck up. Ron Paul isn't going to win this election the way people normally do. Period. We NEED a COMPLETE revolution to come close. This is the same as people being afraid of Ron Paul preaching about legalizing marijuana. Ron Paul is a common sense man and should say common sense things. If the people come around, good. If they don't, we're all fucked. Let's stop beating around the bush. I wish there were Ron Paul sings all over that bridge.

I have a feeling if we get barely enough votes to win they will just use the electronic voting to make sure we lose.. so ya, we really gotta get everybody on board..

But statistically it isn't that hard once you convince enough people, the rest kinda snowball on eventually.

 

[sailingaway]

I think people afraid of associating Ron Paul with OWS need to buck up. Ron Paul isn't going to win this election the way people normally do. Period. We NEED a COMPLETE revolution to come close. This is the same as people being afraid of Ron Paul preaching about legalizing marijuana. Ron Paul is a common sense man and should say common sense things. If the people come around, good. If they don't, we're all fucked. Let's stop beating around the bush. I wish there were Ron Paul sings all over that bridge.

I disagree. It is very different to say we should do something to associate Ron in the public mind with SOMEONE ELSE's message than it is to say we shouldn't shy away from HIS message.

 

[dannno]

I have no problem with RP speaking about ending the drug wars.

I think associating with these people is toxic to the campaign.

So you would then argue that it is easier to convince a neocon to be a non-interventionist than showing a 'marxist' the merits of the free market? Is that your experience? I've convinced both, but sometimes I think it is easier to show a 'marxist' the merits of the free market.

 

[sailingaway]

So you would then argue that it is easier to convince a neocon to be a non-interventionist than showing a 'marxist' the merits of the free market? Is that your experience? I've convinced both, but sometimes I think it is easier to show a 'marxist' the merits of the free market.

No, but if you go into a hive swarming already you are more likely to take damage than if you approach at a different time. There ARE organizers and provocateurs there, and they are not of our mindset.

 

[69360]

So you would then argue that it is easier to convince a neocon to be a non-interventionist than showing a 'marxist' the merits of the free market? Is that your experience? I've convinced both, but sometimes I think it is easier to show a 'marxist' the merits of the free market.

I didn't say that. Honestly I don't know any marxists. I know neocons and I think after 10 years of losing blood and treasure some are seeing the light.

I am saying that I believe in a serious mainstream campaign to win the GOP nomination. I want RP to be my GOP nominee. I don't want the campaign to be marginalized.