Several Realistic Possibilities From Here On Out (Don't Give Up!)

[Mr. Perfidy]

hahah that boot-licker medal-of-honor combat circle jerk shit are the reason ron paul can't win a republican nomination bro! too many middle-aged white men with failing portfolios and libidos to talk about acceptance and peace, and too much legitimized emphasis on imperial warfare as a form of patriotism

 

[libertygrl]

I'm sorry, but I'm so sick of hearing 'in 4 years we're gonna' nonsense. I've heard that every 4 years for decades. We watch our civil liberties stolen and corrupted, we watch debt grow, the dollar destroyed, the wars waged... but every 4 years, when we get more of the same, people tell us 'don't worry! in 4 years we'll change things!' And then we don't, but there's another set of people telling us 'don't worry! in 4 years we'll change things!'

re: Rand Paul -- Rand Paul will get the same treatment Ron gets if he ever runs for high office. Just because he seems more accepted by the people does not mean he's more accepted by TPTB. Why give him the presidency when they can give it to [fill in the blank] who they know they have in their back pocket? Ron acting to protect Rand is silly, because it assumes the media will treat Rand Paul fair in the future, which is anything but certain, and rather unlikely.

re: needing Ron for his influence. Don't you see every Republican, from Santorum to Romney to Gingrich, claiming to have 'Tea Party' cred? Don't you see them all invoking the name of Ronald Reagan, as if they're all cut from the same mold? In 20 years, assuming we're still around, we'll have big government warmongering tyrants saying 'I'm a Ron Paul Republican' through the corners of their mouth, and the media will present it like fact, just as they let them get away with their lies today.

This is about now. This is about ending the wars. This is about restoring our civil liberties. This is about saving the dollar. This is about avoiding a war with Iran [and possibly WWIII].

This is not about 'in four years we're gonna'.

I share your sentiments. Our situation is so dire now, I fear we may not HAVE another 4 years. I mean, look at what kind of unconstitutional legislation has been passed under 4 years time with this administration?? Then again, where were our representatives protecting our rights? Whether Ron Paul gets in or not, we're going to have to keep fighting to get REAL constitutional people elected to be our representatives.

 

[1836]

I share your sentiments. Our situation is so dire now, I fear we may not HAVE another 4 years. I mean, look at what kind of unconstitutional legislation has been passed under 4 years time with this administration?? Then again, where were our representatives protecting our rights? Whether Ron Paul gets in or not, we're going to have to keep fighting to get REAL constitutional people elected to be our representatives.

We can only keep on our path and work as hard as we can. We have to press on.

 

[tbone717]

It is unreal that a reasoned logical post such as the OP in this thread is followed by chest beating profane rhetoric from others. Seriously folks, it's time that we start thinking more sensibly around here. The F**K the GOP mentality does us no good.

We are the GOP

 

[1836]

It is unreal that a reasoned logical post such as the OP in this thread is followed by chest beating profane rhetoric from others. Seriously folks, it's time that we start thinking more sensibly around here. The F**K the GOP mentality does us no good.

We are the GOP

Emphasis added. We are the GOP! You get it.

The GOP is just a vessel, a political vessel to get candidates elected. It doesn't have any particular beliefs unless we put them there. So we, the grassroots, the people who work our way up, the people who get involved, and the people who become delegates, we ARE the GOP!

It always surprises me that people are so willing to treat the GOP as some monolithic entity that can't be penetrated. Ron Paul ran as a Republican 12 times, why? We can use the GOP to our advantage. And because they can use us, they have an incentive to let us in to some extent anyway.

 

[LisaNY]

tbone you need to quit!

 

[agaiziunas]

The F**K the GOP mentality does us no good.
We are the GOP

What is the suggestion, continue getting f**ked BY the GOP? No sir... we are what the GOP USED to be. I want no part of what it has become today, other than to take it back or burn it down.

 

[hunter100]

I'm in it for the long haul, I hope everyone else is too. American politics takes time, but if we continue to push our ideas, then we will have 50-60% support in 4 more years.

 

[1836]

What is the suggestion, continue getting f**ked BY the GOP? No sir... we are what the GOP USED to be. I want no part of what it has become today, other than to take it back or burn it down.

If you care about liberty - how do you expect to restore it, then, without a political vessel?

How do you expect to get people elected who will actually care about our issues?

I get it that there's a segment here who figure on, or expect, some kind of "drastic revolutionary change," but Ron Paul is engaged in politics and so are we. If we are to be engaged, let's try to actually be effective and successful, and the GOP is the best way to do that. I'd think it great if a third party could offer that kind of opportunity, but it just can't.

 

[1836]

I'm in it for the long haul, I hope everyone else is too. American politics takes time, but if we continue to push our ideas, then we will have 50-60% support in 4 more years.

Might be a bit soon, but we certainly are growing. If we keep running congressional candidates especially, and people at the state and local level, we will continue to have a growing movement politically as well as in terms of the message itself.

 

[tbone717]

tbone you need to quit!

Why is that

 

[Mr. Perfidy]

This is what I mean by distasteful- it hurts my heart and my stomach to see grown adults pleading for acceptance into the magic successful tent with the strong daddy figures patting his back and giving him a place in some kind of mythic conservative valhalla land. Fuck those people and torch that tent.

It reminds me of the plot in braveheart to win the support of the nobility. Look we are saved! The nobles are with us!

 

[LisaNY]

Why is that

lol because you keep arguing with people that disagree with you and trying to push them where they don't want to go. At least that's the impression I'm getting.

 

[agaiziunas]

If we keep running congressional candidates especially, and people at the state and local level, we will continue to have a growing movement politically as well as in terms of the message itself.

A pleasant fiction, but the political world has never worked that way. Power continues to grow and get centralized and people at the state and local level are left impotent bureaucrats. Goldwater, Reagan, Buchannan, now Paul... it's too far gone.

The real change only happens after a complete collapse, a fall into tyranny, or by political force and muscle. We have that chance at the brokered convention -- give us Paul or die as a party.

 

[toast]

+Rep to OP 1836 for a spot-on post. The fight will go on. We are at the beginning.

The collapse is coming and there will be dark times upon us, but I am confident that the message of freedom and peace will win out in the end. We have the truth on our side.

And really, this is not a war that could ever have been won in just a Presidential election anyway. Just as things have been rotting for many, many years... no doubt it will take many, many years to fix things.

But we will win.

 

[tbone717]

lol because you keep arguing with people that disagree with you and trying to push them where they don't want to go. At least that's the impression I'm getting.

Well then feel free to not read my posts. I try my best to keep personal emotions out of what I post here, and try to stick with the facts as we have them, logic and reason. I also try to preface my opinions by stating that it is an opinion. People can do whatever they choose, but I am a 25 year veteran of this movement, and I do my best to try and persuade people in the direction that I feel is correct.

 

[pen_thief]

re: Rand Paul -- Rand Paul will get the same treatment Ron gets if he ever runs for high office. Just because he seems more accepted by the people does not mean he's more accepted by TPTB. Why give him the presidency when they can give it to [fill in the blank] who they know they have in their back pocket? Ron acting to protect Rand is silly, because it assumes the media will treat Rand Paul fair in the future, which is anything but certain, and rather unlikely.

I see the same thing happening to Rand, even though he would "play the game."
It's 300 time, I don't see how we've got anything to lose at this point...

 

[libertygrl]

We can only keep on our path and work as hard as we can. We have to press on.

I agree. That's the only thing we CAN do at the moment.

 

[jointhefightforfreedom]

The winning Strategy

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?365771-THE-WINNING-STRATEGY!

 

[1836]

It is indeed about delegates.