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any update re: lawsuit ?
sure seems they running damage control. . . or attempt at control
sure seems they running damage control. . . or attempt at control
Seth Rich Hacked the DNC.
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Who killed Seth Rich ?
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I dunno, maybe the Awan Bros were pissed he leaked a significant portion of their blackmail ammo on someone.
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The lack/suppression of ANY factual data.. autopsy/video footage/crimescene reports/medical exam reports etc etc
just keep expanding the conspiracies, accusations, contradictions.
The latest is: He was Mossad.. is not dead... living in Israel.
I say dig him up.
start there.
just keep expanding the conspiracies, accusations, contradictions.
The latest is: He was Mossad.. is not dead... living in Israel.
I say dig him up.
start there.
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Seymour Hersch (supposed) conversation incriminating Seth (not Russians) for the leak...
From:
1. w/ an 'unknown' source
2. who waited a YEAR before producing this audio
Seymour needs to come out publicly and 'own' this audio.
We're waiting Seymour....
From:
1. w/ an 'unknown' source
2. who waited a YEAR before producing this audio
Seymour needs to come out publicly and 'own' this audio.
We're waiting Seymour....
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Funny, I learned about that audio as a comment to this RS article I just happened to see today:
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture...mail&utm_content=daily&utm_campaign=080217_12
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture...mail&utm_content=daily&utm_campaign=080217_12
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Seymour Hersch Audio 'Rough Transcript' (thnx to candylotus)
About the kid, I’ll tell you what I know. What I know comes off an FBI report. Don’t ask me how. You can figure it out, I’ve been around a long time. The kid, just, I don’t think he was murdered, I, I don’t think he was murdered because of what he knew. The kids a nice boy, 27, he was not IT expert, but he learned stuff. He was a data programmer, but he learned stuff. And so he’s living on one street, someone, in my eyes,- he’s living in a ruff neighborhood and in the exact where he’d been living, as I’m sure you know, there have been about 8 or 9 or 10 violent, uh not robberies, most of them with somebody brandishing a gun and it’s the kids hands, I’m telling you look, I’m sure you know what, his hands are marked up, the cops concluded he fought off the people, tried to run they shot him twice in the back with a 22 small caliper. And then, they, the kids that did it ran, they got scared, they didn’t take his wallet.
Ok. So what the cops do is this: And this is where nobody knows, what I’m telling you, and maybe you know something about it. When you have a death like that DC cops, if you’re dead, you don’t just generally go yep I know (unintelligible) you have to get in to the kids apartment and see what you can find. If he’s dead you don’t need a warrant but most cops get a warrant because they don’t know if they’ve guys has, has a, a roommate. You need a warrant. So they get a warrant. I’m just telling you, there is such a thing. They go in the house and they can’t do much with this computer. It’s (unintelligible) the cops don’t know much about it. So the DC cops they have a cyber unit in DC and they’re more sophisticated. They come and look at it. The idea is maybe he’s a series of exchanges with somebody who says I’m going to kill you motherfucker over a girl or… and they can’t get in. The cyber guys do a little better but they can’t make sense of it so they call the, they call the FBI cyber unit, the DC unit.
The Washington field office is a hot shit unit. The guy running the Washington field office he’s like, he’s like, you know, he’s like a three star at an army base he’s already looking for four, you know what I mean? He’s gonna go in a top job. There’s a cyber unit there that’s excellent, given. What you get in a warrant is, the public information you get in a warrant doesn’t include, uh, it does not include the affidavit underlying what, why you are you going in, what the reasons are that.. That’s almost never available, um, I, I can tell you that the existence of a warrant is a public document 99% of the time. So, um, on the same warrant, they call in the feds. The feds get through, and this is what they find. This is according to the FBI report. What they find is he makes cont- first of all this is what you have to know, you have to know some basic facts, one of the basic factors, in that there’s no DNC or Podesta emails that exist beyond May 22nd. May 21st, May 22nd is the last email from either one of those groups. And so what the reports says is that sometime in late spring, we’re talking June you know summers in June 21st, late spring would be after, I presume, I don’t know, I’d just say late spring, early summer and he makes contact with Wikileaks. That’s in his computer and he makes contact.
Now, I have to be careful because I, I’ve know, I, met Julian 10 or 12 years (ago?) I stay the fuck away from people like that, you know. He’s invited me, and when I’m in London I always get a message “Come see me at the Ecuadorian” but I say fuck no I’m not going there I’ve got enough trouble without getting photographed. And he’s under total surveillance by everybody but anyways. So, they found what he’d done. He had submitted a series of documents, of emails. Some juicy emails from the DNC, and you know, by the way all this shit about the DNC, um, you know, whether it was hacked or wasn’t hacked, whatever happened, the democrats themselves wrote this shit, you know what I mean? All I know is that he (Seth) offered a sample, an extensive sample, you know I’m sure dozens of email and said “I want money”. Then later Wikileaks did get the password, he had a Dropbox, a protected Dropbox, which isn’t hard to do, I mean you don’t have to be a wizard IT, you know, he was certainly not a dumb kid. They got access to the Dropbox. He also, and this is also in the FBI report, he also let people know, with whom he was dealing, and I don’t know how he dealt, I’ll tell you about Wikileaks in a second. I don’t know how he dealt with the Wikileaks and the mechanism but he also, the word was passed according to the NSA report, “I’ve also shared this box with a couple of friends so if anything happens to me it’s not going to solve your problem”. Ok. I don’t know what that means.
I don’t know whether you- Anyways, Wikileaks got access, and before he was killed- I can tell you right now Brennan is an asshole. Uh, I’ve known all these people for years. Clapper is sort of a better guy but not rocket scientist, the NSA guy’s a fucking moron, and they don’t- you know the trouble with all of those guys is that the only way they’re going to make it to a board or two and get hired by (?) and get some fat cat contracts is if Hillary stayed in. With Trump they’re gone, they’re done, they’re going to live on their pension, they’re not going to make it. And I gotta tell you guys, they don’t want to live on their pension, they want to be on boards (?).
I have somebody on the inside, you know I’ve been around a long time, and I write a lot of stuff. I have somebody on the inside who will go and read a file for me. This person is unbelievably accurate and careful, he’s a very high-level guy and he’ll do a favor. You’re just going to have to trust me. I have what they call in my business a long-form journalism, I have a narrative of how that whole fucking thing began, it’s a Brennan operation, it was an American disinformation and fucking the fucking President, at one point when they, they even started telling the press, they were back briefing the press, the head of the NSA was going and telling the press, fucking cock-sucker Rogers, was telling the press that we even know who in the GRU, the Russian Military Intelligence Service, who leaked it. I mean all bullshit. They were telling the studp- I worked at the New York Times for fucking years, and the trouble with the fucking New York Times is they have smart guys, but they’re totally beholden on sources. If the president or the head of the (???) to actually believe it. I was actually hired at the time to write, to go after the war in Vietnam War in 72 because they were just locked in. So that’s what the Times did. These guys run the fucking Times, and Trump’s not wrong. But I mean I wish he would calm down and had a better a better press secretary, I mean you don’t have to be so. Trump’s not wrong to think they all fucking lie about him. I can tell you right n….
Like I said... Seymour needs to come out and own this
so we know for sure he said it.
Put him on the witness stand in front of the hearings if necessary.
About the kid, I’ll tell you what I know. What I know comes off an FBI report. Don’t ask me how. You can figure it out, I’ve been around a long time. The kid, just, I don’t think he was murdered, I, I don’t think he was murdered because of what he knew. The kids a nice boy, 27, he was not IT expert, but he learned stuff. He was a data programmer, but he learned stuff. And so he’s living on one street, someone, in my eyes,- he’s living in a ruff neighborhood and in the exact where he’d been living, as I’m sure you know, there have been about 8 or 9 or 10 violent, uh not robberies, most of them with somebody brandishing a gun and it’s the kids hands, I’m telling you look, I’m sure you know what, his hands are marked up, the cops concluded he fought off the people, tried to run they shot him twice in the back with a 22 small caliper. And then, they, the kids that did it ran, they got scared, they didn’t take his wallet.
Ok. So what the cops do is this: And this is where nobody knows, what I’m telling you, and maybe you know something about it. When you have a death like that DC cops, if you’re dead, you don’t just generally go yep I know (unintelligible) you have to get in to the kids apartment and see what you can find. If he’s dead you don’t need a warrant but most cops get a warrant because they don’t know if they’ve guys has, has a, a roommate. You need a warrant. So they get a warrant. I’m just telling you, there is such a thing. They go in the house and they can’t do much with this computer. It’s (unintelligible) the cops don’t know much about it. So the DC cops they have a cyber unit in DC and they’re more sophisticated. They come and look at it. The idea is maybe he’s a series of exchanges with somebody who says I’m going to kill you motherfucker over a girl or… and they can’t get in. The cyber guys do a little better but they can’t make sense of it so they call the, they call the FBI cyber unit, the DC unit.
The Washington field office is a hot shit unit. The guy running the Washington field office he’s like, he’s like, you know, he’s like a three star at an army base he’s already looking for four, you know what I mean? He’s gonna go in a top job. There’s a cyber unit there that’s excellent, given. What you get in a warrant is, the public information you get in a warrant doesn’t include, uh, it does not include the affidavit underlying what, why you are you going in, what the reasons are that.. That’s almost never available, um, I, I can tell you that the existence of a warrant is a public document 99% of the time. So, um, on the same warrant, they call in the feds. The feds get through, and this is what they find. This is according to the FBI report. What they find is he makes cont- first of all this is what you have to know, you have to know some basic facts, one of the basic factors, in that there’s no DNC or Podesta emails that exist beyond May 22nd. May 21st, May 22nd is the last email from either one of those groups. And so what the reports says is that sometime in late spring, we’re talking June you know summers in June 21st, late spring would be after, I presume, I don’t know, I’d just say late spring, early summer and he makes contact with Wikileaks. That’s in his computer and he makes contact.
Now, I have to be careful because I, I’ve know, I, met Julian 10 or 12 years (ago?) I stay the fuck away from people like that, you know. He’s invited me, and when I’m in London I always get a message “Come see me at the Ecuadorian” but I say fuck no I’m not going there I’ve got enough trouble without getting photographed. And he’s under total surveillance by everybody but anyways. So, they found what he’d done. He had submitted a series of documents, of emails. Some juicy emails from the DNC, and you know, by the way all this shit about the DNC, um, you know, whether it was hacked or wasn’t hacked, whatever happened, the democrats themselves wrote this shit, you know what I mean? All I know is that he (Seth) offered a sample, an extensive sample, you know I’m sure dozens of email and said “I want money”. Then later Wikileaks did get the password, he had a Dropbox, a protected Dropbox, which isn’t hard to do, I mean you don’t have to be a wizard IT, you know, he was certainly not a dumb kid. They got access to the Dropbox. He also, and this is also in the FBI report, he also let people know, with whom he was dealing, and I don’t know how he dealt, I’ll tell you about Wikileaks in a second. I don’t know how he dealt with the Wikileaks and the mechanism but he also, the word was passed according to the NSA report, “I’ve also shared this box with a couple of friends so if anything happens to me it’s not going to solve your problem”. Ok. I don’t know what that means.
I don’t know whether you- Anyways, Wikileaks got access, and before he was killed- I can tell you right now Brennan is an asshole. Uh, I’ve known all these people for years. Clapper is sort of a better guy but not rocket scientist, the NSA guy’s a fucking moron, and they don’t- you know the trouble with all of those guys is that the only way they’re going to make it to a board or two and get hired by (?) and get some fat cat contracts is if Hillary stayed in. With Trump they’re gone, they’re done, they’re going to live on their pension, they’re not going to make it. And I gotta tell you guys, they don’t want to live on their pension, they want to be on boards (?).
I have somebody on the inside, you know I’ve been around a long time, and I write a lot of stuff. I have somebody on the inside who will go and read a file for me. This person is unbelievably accurate and careful, he’s a very high-level guy and he’ll do a favor. You’re just going to have to trust me. I have what they call in my business a long-form journalism, I have a narrative of how that whole fucking thing began, it’s a Brennan operation, it was an American disinformation and fucking the fucking President, at one point when they, they even started telling the press, they were back briefing the press, the head of the NSA was going and telling the press, fucking cock-sucker Rogers, was telling the press that we even know who in the GRU, the Russian Military Intelligence Service, who leaked it. I mean all bullshit. They were telling the studp- I worked at the New York Times for fucking years, and the trouble with the fucking New York Times is they have smart guys, but they’re totally beholden on sources. If the president or the head of the (???) to actually believe it. I was actually hired at the time to write, to go after the war in Vietnam War in 72 because they were just locked in. So that’s what the Times did. These guys run the fucking Times, and Trump’s not wrong. But I mean I wish he would calm down and had a better a better press secretary, I mean you don’t have to be so. Trump’s not wrong to think they all fucking lie about him. I can tell you right n….
Like I said... Seymour needs to come out and own this
so we know for sure he said it.
Put him on the witness stand in front of the hearings if necessary.
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A JUNE 2nd DENIAL
Emails: Ed Butowsky Pleads With Sy Hersh to Go Public With What He Knows About Seth Rich
June 2nd Emails:
Butowsky emails Hersh:
“I am curious why you haven’t approached the house committee telling them what you were read by your FBI friend related to Seth Rich that you in turn read to me. Based on all your work, it appears that you care about the truth. Even though, as you said you couldn’t get a second, shouldn’t you tell them so they could use their powers to determine the truth?”
In a bizarre response completely contradicting what Hersh is heard saying on the audio recording, he denies having any inside knowledge of the case.
Hersh responds:
“ed –you have a lousy memory…i was not read anything by my fbi friend..i have no firsthand information and i really wish you would stop telling others information that you think i have…please stop relaying information that you do not have right…and that i have no reason to believe is accurate…”
Desperate to find the truth about what happened, Butowsky continues to plead with the journalist to go forward.
Butowsky replies:
“I know it isn’t first hand knowledge but you clearly said, my memory is perfect, that you had a friend at the FBI who read / told you what was in the file on Seth Rich and I wonder why you aren’t helping your country and sharing that information on who it was?”
When contacted on the phone by Big League Politics Editor-in-Chief Patrick Howley to inquire about his story abruptly changing,
Hersh stated, “I’m not going to comment about that stuff, I mean, come on, I live in the real world.”
When asked to confirm that it was him speaking on the bombshell audio recording, he stated,
“I’m not going to talk to anybody about that. No comment.”
In the audio provided to Big League Politics,
Hersh additionally accused the Obama administration of fabricating the Russian hacking narrative,
as people like John Brennan and James Clapper have motivation for wanting Hillary Clinton to win the election over Donald Trump.
“Anyways, Wikileaks got access, and before he was killed- I can tell you right now Brennan is an asshole.
Uh, I’ve known all these people for years. Clapper is sort of a better guy but not rocket scientist,
the NSA guy’s a fucking moron, and they don’t- you know the trouble with all of those guys
is that the only way they’re going to make it to a board or two and get hired by (?)
and get some fat cat contracts is if Hillary stayed in.
With Trump they’re gone, they’re done, they’re going to live on their pension,
they’re not going to make it. And I gotta tell you guys, they don’t want to live on their pension, they want to be on boards,”
A full transcript of the audio was posted to Reddit by a dedicated user.
Hersh has an impressive record, winning the 1970 Pulitzer Prize, the 2004
George Orwell Award for Distinguished Contribution to Honesty and Clarity in Public Language,
two National Magazine Awards, and five George Polk Awards —
the most any journalist has ever received.
His credentials include over a dozen other awards for his reporting,
which includes breaking the story about the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison
and the story of the My Lai Massacre in Vietnam.
It remains unclear who or what in the “real world” caused Hersh’s knowledge of the Seth Rich case to suddenly vanish.
Emails: Ed Butowsky Pleads With Sy Hersh to Go Public With What He Knows About Seth Rich
June 2nd Emails:
Butowsky emails Hersh:
“I am curious why you haven’t approached the house committee telling them what you were read by your FBI friend related to Seth Rich that you in turn read to me. Based on all your work, it appears that you care about the truth. Even though, as you said you couldn’t get a second, shouldn’t you tell them so they could use their powers to determine the truth?”
In a bizarre response completely contradicting what Hersh is heard saying on the audio recording, he denies having any inside knowledge of the case.
Hersh responds:
“ed –you have a lousy memory…i was not read anything by my fbi friend..i have no firsthand information and i really wish you would stop telling others information that you think i have…please stop relaying information that you do not have right…and that i have no reason to believe is accurate…”
Desperate to find the truth about what happened, Butowsky continues to plead with the journalist to go forward.
Butowsky replies:
“I know it isn’t first hand knowledge but you clearly said, my memory is perfect, that you had a friend at the FBI who read / told you what was in the file on Seth Rich and I wonder why you aren’t helping your country and sharing that information on who it was?”
When contacted on the phone by Big League Politics Editor-in-Chief Patrick Howley to inquire about his story abruptly changing,
Hersh stated, “I’m not going to comment about that stuff, I mean, come on, I live in the real world.”
When asked to confirm that it was him speaking on the bombshell audio recording, he stated,
“I’m not going to talk to anybody about that. No comment.”
In the audio provided to Big League Politics,
Hersh additionally accused the Obama administration of fabricating the Russian hacking narrative,
as people like John Brennan and James Clapper have motivation for wanting Hillary Clinton to win the election over Donald Trump.
“Anyways, Wikileaks got access, and before he was killed- I can tell you right now Brennan is an asshole.
Uh, I’ve known all these people for years. Clapper is sort of a better guy but not rocket scientist,
the NSA guy’s a fucking moron, and they don’t- you know the trouble with all of those guys
is that the only way they’re going to make it to a board or two and get hired by (?)
and get some fat cat contracts is if Hillary stayed in.
With Trump they’re gone, they’re done, they’re going to live on their pension,
they’re not going to make it. And I gotta tell you guys, they don’t want to live on their pension, they want to be on boards,”
A full transcript of the audio was posted to Reddit by a dedicated user.
Hersh has an impressive record, winning the 1970 Pulitzer Prize, the 2004
George Orwell Award for Distinguished Contribution to Honesty and Clarity in Public Language,
two National Magazine Awards, and five George Polk Awards —
the most any journalist has ever received.
His credentials include over a dozen other awards for his reporting,
which includes breaking the story about the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison
and the story of the My Lai Massacre in Vietnam.
It remains unclear who or what in the “real world” caused Hersh’s knowledge of the Seth Rich case to suddenly vanish.
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Strange, the sudden barrage in every MSM outlet claiming Seth Rich story is not true
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my thots... & concur w/ George...
Sy Hersch is not a 'liar'.
More than likely...
He was (and now realizes it) a victim.
He was 'fed' the 'intel', wiretapped/bugged, then recorded....
to then (later) 'use' his creds to 'establish' this new narrative. (for if/when they needed it)
One year later they triggered it. The 'Russian' narrative was falling apart. (which explains why they waited)
He (Sy) realizes he was 'had'.
.... and so are we.
1. Seth was NOT the email 'leaker' (but SOMEONE else was & not Russians)
2. Seth was (likely) murdered for 'other' reasons (probably related... Bernie $$/voter base transfer? NGPVAN etc.)
3. They want to shut down/ 'bury' the ENTIRE story with Seth. They used Sy Hersch. (that's why he now 'denies'.)
4. It really IS a recording of Sy Hersch and his 'thoughts/insider knowledge/hunches'
Sy Hersch is not a 'liar'.
More than likely...
He was (and now realizes it) a victim.
He was 'fed' the 'intel', wiretapped/bugged, then recorded....
to then (later) 'use' his creds to 'establish' this new narrative. (for if/when they needed it)
One year later they triggered it. The 'Russian' narrative was falling apart. (which explains why they waited)
He (Sy) realizes he was 'had'.
.... and so are we.
1. Seth was NOT the email 'leaker' (but SOMEONE else was & not Russians)
2. Seth was (likely) murdered for 'other' reasons (probably related... Bernie $$/voter base transfer? NGPVAN etc.)
3. They want to shut down/ 'bury' the ENTIRE story with Seth. They used Sy Hersch. (that's why he now 'denies'.)
4. It really IS a recording of Sy Hersch and his 'thoughts/insider knowledge/hunches'
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Interesting that now the Sy Hersch audio is out there, the story still hasn't 'broken' yet. Hersch has the credibility and he is ON TAPE saying his FBI source confirmed to him that Seth Rich had contacted WIKILEAKS with a sample of emails from the DNC. This should be PROOF POSITIVE that Seth Rich was the leaker and that RUSSIA did not hack the DNC. This affects everything happening today... Russia Sanctions just signed by trump, etc etc.
What will it take? When will the lid come off? HERSCH is distancing himself from this audio now probably because he doesn't want to be Arkancided.
What will it take? When will the lid come off? HERSCH is distancing himself from this audio now probably because he doesn't want to be Arkancided.
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Fox News started and then retracted the Seth Rich story.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/01/business/media/seth-rich-fox-news-white-house-lawsuit.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/01/business/media/seth-rich-fox-news-white-house-lawsuit.html
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what about all of the others that have wound up dead that were associated with this ?
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Bodies are still piling up and cleaned up almost before they hit the ground.
I mean as recently as last week.
for example:
too much to explain but this wealthy owner gets shot in the back of the head at his car dealership
20 police officers 10 cop cars are there... and all of a sudden the JTTF shows up and takes over the crime scene.
Then.. no 'death notice' for an entire week... then a small obit that FINALLY confirms his name... and says 'he died.'
and 'donations' can be sent to 'suicide prevention' and 'mental health care'. The dealership was part of Awan spy ring.
He was the 2nd owner to be murdered... the 1st owner (Peacock) was murdered 6 months ago.
Seth Rich was just the front end... a single thread.. important but his 'story' is almost a distraction now.
When the web of collusion and inter-connection has even the JTTF at it's disposal not to mention the FBI..
the coverup murders and coverup crimes may never get solved including Seth Rich.
It's either going to completely explode or fizzle like JFK.
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JTTF?
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I hope Seth Rich's family knows what the deal is whatever that is. It must be awful for them to have his death talked about in the news so much.
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Yes, the Seth Rich story was really just a gate or door to something 1000x bigger. Solving whatever happened here with Seth is a start, but the focus should remain with the resulting Pandora opened box of the Awan IT people and how they were intertwined with a large portion of the Congress and the information within.
My understanding is this comparison can be summarized as A) the hiding of facts regarding a stolen democratically elected presidential nomination via murder and coverup using Washington PD and destruction/obfuscation of evidence versus B) having essentially complete or near complete control of the legislative branch of our government through blackmail and extortion through use of a Pakistan proxy intelligence service as a workaround over the legal structure of the US intelligence on all of the inside information within Congress, for at least the last 14 years, probably more. The Awan's arrived in 2003-2004 but who knows who may have occupied their space before that.
If we are being run to some extent by the operations of a 3rd world country for the sole purpose of trading secrets and control for the benefit of a few American politicians, we are about as far from having liberty as one could imagine at this point. The best part is the fact that this is citizen funded via our countrywide tax plantation system.
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Liberal fan fiction.
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Yea, JTTF?
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