Serious Question....

[Eric21ND]

Its funny you should mention South Carolina, since that is the state I live in...All I gotta do is find out who to contact in SC to get this started in Janurary!

If I was you I'd contact Jack Hunter, the southern avenger guy....he'd point you in the right direction. Meanwhile, your goal should be to "own" your community. Find out who the republican primary voters are and knock on doors, get their political indo/feelings, converse with people, give them RP literature atune with the issues important to them.

I remember the primary last go around and a large percentage had no idea who RP was, let alone his positions.

 

[Eric21ND]

You have this puzzling notion that all the Ron Paul national delegates were "stealth." In fact, Dr. Paul had several national delegates, but no states won.

No, that isn't my notion. I know we won 40 or so delegates to the national convention by staying in the race. What we were discussing back then was a way for all Ron Paul supporters to either, a.) Become national delegates themselves and force a floor vote between Ron and McCain or b.) Persuade the national delegates to our side by giving them books and DVDs about Ron.

My question was if we even got any "stealth" delegates on the floor, who weren't already declared to go to Ron? Someone said we might have had one. My point being the nomination is going to won or lost in the early states and going for a delegate take over might be a waste of time and resources.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

No, that isn't my notion. I know we won 40 or so delegates to the national convention by staying in the race. What we were discussing back then was a way for all Ron Paul supporters to either, a.) Become national delegates themselves and force a floor vote between Ron and McCain or b.) Persuade the national delegates to our side by giving them books and DVDs about Ron.

My question was if we even got any "stealth" delegates on the floor, who weren't already declared to go to Ron? Someone said we might have had one. My point being the nomination is going to won or lost in the early states and going for a delegate take over might be a waste of time and resources.

Well my point is that we need to do BOTH. If we only do one and not the other (whichever that one is) then we will fail. If we take all the primaries but ignore the delegates we fail. If we take all the delegates but ignore the primaries, we fail. If we take the primaries AND the delegates, we win. There is no one or the other here, it's either both or nothing.

 

[Eric21ND]

Well my point is that we need to do BOTH. If we only do one and not the other (whichever that one is) then we will fail. If we take all the primaries but ignore the delegates we fail. If we take all the delegates but ignore the primaries, we fail. If we take the primaries AND the delegates, we win. There is no one or the other here, it's either both or nothing.

Well if we win the state primary/caucuses we automatically get a certain number of national delegates. I know each states have different criteria about how and where their delegates go. The delegate take over scheme at the national convention is way, way last ditch effort. Now if god forbide someone like Palin gets the nomination it would be a good strategy to use...hell there would probably be a revolt on the floor regardless if the Paulites were on the floor if she was the nominee.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Well if we win the state primary/caucuses we automatically get a certain number of national delegates. I know each states have different criteria about how and where their delegates go. The delegate take over scheme at the national convention is way, way last ditch effort. Now if god forbide someone like Palin gets the nomination it would be a good strategy to use...hell there would probably be a revolt on the floor regardless if the Paulites were on the floor if she was the nominee.

I'm not talking about a delegate takeover scheme, I'm talking about the fact that if RP wins every single State and we have no delegates we could still lose the nomination. It's not one or the other, it's both. We saw too many examples in 2008 where RP had his RIGHTFUL delegates denied him, or people who hated RP were sent in place of his rightful delegates. The only way that doesn't happen again is to focus on both things, primaries AND convention delegates.

If you do either without the other we are just wasting our time. We have to do BOTH.

 

[Eric21ND]

I'm not talking about a delegate takeover scheme, I'm talking about the fact that if RP wins every single State and we have no delegates we could still lose the nomination. It's not one or the other, it's both. We saw too many examples in 2008 where RP had his RIGHTFUL delegates denied him, or people who hated RP were sent in place of his rightful delegates. The only way that doesn't happen again is to focus on both things, primaries AND convention delegates.

If you do either without the other we are just wasting our time. We have to do BOTH.

Yeah good point. Hopefully some of us can actually make it to the floor and not compromise our principals to get there.