September Money Bomb

[enonesoch]

Hi Rebel, can you take down this poll 8/7,or early the next morning? I think the results at that time should be the final results. The winning date will be the date we all get behind. Then we can coordinate our efforts in one direction. How does that sound to you?

 

[antelmann22]

Hey everyone, haven't posted here in a while. I'm glad everyone is in on the moneybomb, this will be great for Rand no matter what date it is on.

With that being said, having a post-debate moneybomb seems a bit counter-productive. We know Rand will do great at the next debate, but it's definitely a momentum game. It could go either way. But I voted September 7th to get the ball rolling into the CNN Debate. Thank you all for your support, Rand is definitely going to need it!

 

[JohnCifelli1]

7th. More money earlier the better. Greater likelihood of a second donation later.

 

[Crashland]

I prefer Constitution day for the following reasons:
- I think it is better to influence post-debate coverage than pre-debate coverage. The talking heads will try to downplay Rand's debate performance, which will be harder to do if there is a groundswell of money coming in from the grassroots the day right after the debate. Pretty much nothing that is said prior to the debate will matter after the debate happens, as the narrative gets reshaped.
- It is better for money to come in earlier rather than later, yes, but we're talking a difference of only 10 days here. 10 days won't make or break the campaign's ability to spend money in terms of timing.
- Significantly fewer people will be paying attention to politics on Labor Day or the weekend leading up to it. Politics will be front and center on the 16th and 17th.

 

[JohnCifelli1]

I disagree about what the talking heads can downplay. If money arrived after the debate, they don't have to cover that. If we drop 1 mil on Rand just before the debate and he performs well, that's harder to ignore on the 17th/18th.

 

[JohnCifelli1]

As far as earlier than later, I'm say that you're basically giving people an incentive to give a pay cycle earlier. I'm not worried on the campaigns ability to spend it, but the donors tolerance to giving again.

 

[Uriah]

I had voted for the 17th but upon further consideration I've changed my mind.

I now support a pre-debate money bomb on September 7th labor day.

 

[William Tell]

I think a Moneybomb on the 7th before the debate would be a complete failure. We need more enthusiasm, and that will come only with a good performance from Rand. It has to be on the 17th. Rand and the rest of us can promote the moneybomb in tweets and posts during and after the debate. His supporters will actually be paying attention.

 

[francisco]

Proposing the following idea not as a compromise, but as a way to not only combine the advantages of both dates, but as a new approach.

How about designating an entire 11-day period (September 7 thru 17, inclusive) as the drive?


Use the kickoff date 9/7 with the Labor Day and Rand's Tax Reform proposal as the opening rallying cry.

Then, each subsequent day, focus promotional efforts around a different, discrete issue to compare and contrast Rand with his competitors, to show his fresh new approach to solving key problems.

Wrap up with major push beginning on day before the 9/16 debate, coordinate with debate watching parties on the 16th itself, culminate with with 9/17 "Defend and Restore the Constitution--All of it" theme.

Brand the overall effort as something like "11 days for Liberty"

 

[rprprs]

I see pros and cons for both dates, but I am going with the 17th.
Nonetheless, I will donate on whichever day is chosen.
Please join in this effort and don't withhold a donation just because YOUR preferred date wasn't chosen.

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

I voted both. It may be a mad dash to the 7th but then everything would be mostly in place for the 17th.

 

[The Rebel Poet]

Proposing the following idea not as a compromise, but as a way to not only combine the advantages of both dates, but as a new approach.

How about designating an entire 11-day period (September 7 thru 17, inclusive) as the drive?


Use the kickoff date 9/7 with the Labor Day and Rand's Tax Reform proposal as the opening rallying cry.

Then, each subsequent day, focus promotional efforts around a different, discrete issue to compare and contrast Rand with his competitors, to show his fresh new approach to solving key problems.

Wrap up with major push beginning on day before the 9/16 debate, coordinate with debate watching parties on the 16th itself, culminate with with 9/17 "Defend and Restore the Constitution--All of it" theme.

Brand the overall effort as something like "11 days for Liberty"

That's not a bad idea. Can someone who has actually organized and executed moneybombs gave some feedback? I know that orenbus has done this, and there are probably others.

 

[William Tell]

That's not a bad idea. Can someone who has actually organized and executed moneybombs gave some feedback? I know that orenbus has done this, and there are probably others.

I've never organized them, but I know from observation that historically donations totally drop off after 2 or 3 days. So I don't see how 11 days would do anything.

 

[Jackie Moon]

Hi Jackie, been speaking with supporters we worked with on 2008 and 2012 grassroots projects, as well as new activists that have joined up this cycle, and have been talking about relaunching the "Rand Paul Digital" kickstarter we proposed in May now that there is potentially more support for this project. The relaunch would have some changes with the goal of seeing if funding is possible to cover costs to support the future MBs, allowing us to commit to what you describe for the rest of the campaign and for other related grassroots projects.

I agree that knowledge transfer and work that has already been done should try to be maintained as much as possible while at the same time making each project unique so the themes chosen by the community appeals to supporters. We're still working out the details, but in the meantime have secured RandPaulMoneyBomb.com that could be reused as you describe, temporarily redirecting to the Digital page, will comment on this in the other thread.

Awesome. That was the domain I had in mind but was hesitant to post because I didn't want any potential opposition to take it.

I definitely support you working on this and trying to raise some money to keep the main moneybomb site going throughout the campaign. I liked the original idea for the Rand Paul Digital project. It would have been nice to have all the extras, but trying again with a focus on at least being able to fund the moneybomb part of it might have success now. Do you have an idea on the amount that would be required to do that?

I'm sure this doesn't need to be said to anyone that has been here... but in case anyone is new Orenbus has done awesome work on past moneybombs. Having people like him with experience and the knowledge of what should be done differently will make future moneybombs that much better.

We should give the poll 2 more days to clarify which date we will go with. At Midnight August 17th, the choice will be declared and the date will be set. We must all coordinate on this effort, the point is that we make the greatest impact possible. The date, and the meaning behind it, is secondary and quite inconsequential.

Please vote in this poll

Welcome and thank you for your work. Although I personally support the 17th, I agree that it is important to come together behind one date and theme. If the 7th is chosen I will support it.

I understand the argument that if someone plans to donate anyway then it doesn't matter what day it happens on - we could run multiple small "moneybombs" and people can choose which day to give and ultimately the campaign gets it and it's all reported together for that month.

But, I believe that having a real moneybomb that's recognized by the campaign actually encourages more people to donate and for the ones that do to give more. There's something to having a big ticker on the website, seeing your name come across, and watching the total number get bigger and bigger.

It encourages people that may not have donated on their own to give something to be part of the group, even if it's small. And the ones that do give might give a little more to help push the number over a milestone.

 

[orenbus]

That's not a bad idea. Can someone who has actually organized and executed moneybombs gave some feedback? I know that orenbus has done this, and there are probably others.

I've never organized them, but I know from observation that historically donations totally drop off after 2 or 3 days. So I don't see how 11 days would do anything.

We've done 3-4 days after a start date that worked out well, my gut feeling is 11 days would be a bit of a stretch. As William mentioned the drop off in engagement is the main issue. Don't let this dissuade however, if this is ultimately what the group wants, just because it hasn't been done in the past doesn't necessarily mean it wouldn't work. Another thing to consider is that there is already movement by some facebook users for the 22nd of September, 17th-22nd might be more viable. Additionally another item to add to the calculation, I would imagine the official campaign will be looking to do an end of the quarter push somewhere between the 21st-30th.

 

[orenbus]

Awesome. That was the domain I had in mind but was hesitant to post because I didn't want any potential opposition to take it.

I definitely support you working on this and trying to raise some money to keep the main moneybomb site going throughout the campaign. I liked the original idea for the Rand Paul Digital project. It would have been nice to have all the extras, but trying again with a focus on at least being able to fund the moneybomb part of it might have success now. Do you have an idea on the amount that would be required to do that?

I'm sure this doesn't need to be said to anyone that has been here... but in case anyone is new Orenbus has done awesome work on past moneybombs. Having people like him with experience and the knowledge of what should be done differently will make future moneybombs that much better.

Thanks, appreciate your support. I saw your message about social media, will follow up via PM.

Also to let you know just updated the RandPaulDigital.com page in anticipation of relaunching the project. Putting on the finishing touches now before we start spreading it around, if anyone can help with content would appreciate it. The main thing left outstanding is a top 10 Tweet messages of why you should support Rand Paul that supporters can retweet. The section where the content would be placed is in "Share Facts" area, you can get to it by the navigation at the top right of the page under "Engage". Supporters will be able to use the left and right arrows to scroll through the pictures with a tweet message on each one that they can then share using the facebook or twitter images to help promote both Rand Paul and the Digital project supporting the MBs.

Would appreciate if those of you interested can sign up on the page as pledging to donate to the project and/or as a volunteer to help with MBs and other grassroots projects RPD would be taking on. Also if anyone sees something on the page that should be modified, either it being copy or other, please let us know.

Thanks.

 

[nayjevin]

The main thing left outstanding is a top 10 Tweet messages of why you should support Rand Paul that supporters can retweet. The section where the content would be placed is in "Share Facts" area, you can get to it by the navigation at the top right of the page under "Engage". Supporters will be able to use the left and right arrows to scroll through the pictures with a tweet message on each one that they can then share using the facebook or twitter images to help promote both Rand Paul and the Digital project supporting the MBs.

Started this thread for ideas:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?480472-Top-10-Reasons-to-Support-Rand-Paul-for-President

 

[banemaler]

Both.

The more the merrier. He needs the cash in a hurry so time to get to work bundling.

 

[AndrewIHeart]

Okay make yourselves a deadline for when to decide on when the money-bomb will be. Pick out the people to make the website, etc. I have no idea how to work a website. But I'll give plenty of moral support.

 

[garyallen59]

Well it looks like Constitution Day is the winner. We have one month to promote this. Someone posted a facebook page in another thread, can we get it set up to reflect a Constitution Day moneybomb so we can go ahead and start sharing it. Also make a facebook event so people can invite others to join and we can get a read on how many will be participating.

I also don't know how to make a webpage or I would. Is there anybody here who would like to take this up?

Let's get this thing moving.