Separate or Die

How to "sell" the idea or how to actually carry it out and back it up with teeth, that will be needed?

Based on what I've seen from my anecdotal experience, we're desperately in need of spreading the idea at this point. It needs to be in the cultural conscience for it to even be considered a viable option, I'd think.

I've talked about it with family and friends, and I've made numerous posts about it on Fedbook that have generated some good conversations. The hope is that those people then take it as a talking point and discuss it with their family and friends.

But I doubt that approach is necessarily sufficient, so I'm calling on our forum members who have good experience in organizing and spreading ideas to see what they think.
 
Based on what I've seen from my anecdotal experience, we're desperately in need of spreading the idea at this point. It needs to be in the cultural conscience for it to even be considered a viable option, I'd think.

I've talked about it with family and friends, and I've made numerous posts about it on Fedbook that have generated some good conversations. The hope is that those people then take it as a talking point and discuss it with their family and friends.

But I doubt that approach is necessarily sufficient, so I'm calling on our forum members who have good experience in organizing and spreading ideas to see what they think.

Well, I'm not sure are many of those folks left.

But my own activism on this subject has taught me a couple of things, maybe these will help you:

1 - You will find some, or perhaps, many, who oppose the idea on visceral level, even though they are the some of the loudest critics of "The Swamp". Let's call these folks "American Greatness" people. They have a vision of the US as an international superpower, forever. The lines of the border and the goal of the nation are both fixed, forever, as far as they are concerned. What seems to have some impact is to approach from "you don't have to be huge in size to rule the world: example, England."

2 - Those who fear war and insurrection more than absolute tyranny. Let's call these folks "Peace at all costs" people. Best way to work into their mind is to present it as an ugly divorce. What would most likely lead to violence? A peaceful separation, or forcing two people who loathe each other to stay together until they are at each other's throats? Also, "think of the children!"

3 - Those who fear foreign invasion. Let's call these people The Fortress Americans". Speak to them of who so many other nations are relatively free and yet do not spend trillions on defense. We create artificial power vacuums and crises because of our meddling, peddling and shenanigans in global wars zones. Breaking up would reduce that influence and result in you being less likely to be invaded.

4 - And then there are those who oppose the idea because they oppose you. They will not allow a system where you and your ideas can flourish, because, at the end of the day, they despise you. We'll call these folks Marxists, Jacobins, and Bolsheviks. There is no talking to these people. They want you dead, and do not think for one minute they are going to just let you wander off to do as you please.
 
I want to kick this thread open to suggestions on HOW to make secession a REAL thing, and not just a floundering topic on a backwater subforum on a backwater website.

What can we DO, realistically, to nurture and grow the concept of secession into a legitimate movement, a zeitgeist? I've never been very active in political movements, other than Ron's 2012 run, and even then my involvement was limited to door knocking, setting up booths at locations and handing out info.

My rather meager efforts so far have been talking to people who are interested about politics about it, and posting about it on Fedbook. I actually think that FB is a decent way to spread an idea, when carefully crafted.

Anyway, let's hear it from you politically savvy types...

Maybe a blimp?
 
Maybe a blimp?

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Well, I'm not sure are many of those folks left.

But my own activism on this subject has taught me a couple of things, maybe these will help you:

1 - You will find some, or perhaps, many, who oppose the idea on visceral level, even though they are the some of the loudest critics of "The Swamp". Let's call these folks "American Greatness" people. They have a vision of the US as an international superpower, forever. The lines of the border and the goal of the nation are both fixed, forever, as far as they are concerned. What seems to have some impact is to approach from "you don't have to be huge in size to rule the world: example, England."

2 - Those who fear war and insurrection more than absolute tyranny. Let's call these folks "Peace at all costs" people. Best way to work into their mind is to present it as an ugly divorce. What would most likely lead to violence? A peaceful separation, or forcing two people who loathe each other to stay together until they are at each other's throats? Also, "think of the children!"

3 - Those who fear foreign invasion. Let's call these people The Fortress Americans". Speak to them of who so many other nations are relatively free and yet do not spend trillions on defense. We create artificial power vacuums and crises because of our meddling, peddling and shenanigans in global wars zones. Breaking up would reduce that influence and result in you being less likely to be invaded.

4 - And then there are those who oppose the idea because they oppose you. They will not allow a system where you and your ideas can flourish, because, at the end of the day, they despise you. We'll call these folks Marxists, Jacobins, and Bolsheviks. There is no talking to these people. They want you dead, and do not think for one minute they are going to just let you wander off to do as you please.

Now, what do we do to get the idea trending on this website?
 
Maybe "Separate or free candy from Danke" would convey a more forceful message.
 
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