Senator Mike Lee continues to promote fake balanced budget amendment!

this all reminds me of a dog trying to bite his own tail and just ends up running in circles!!! somehow we need to stop the gop from just chasing their own tails and actually do something other then talking and shuffling cards to make it look like they are doing something!! baby steps are fine but something tells me this is more typical gop bs and delaying what should be done now asap!! oo well back to chasing the tail!! as a republican i have a general distrust of anything a republican might do or say they will do thanks to the gop track record and business as usual!
 
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something tells me this is more typical gop bs and delaying what should be done now asap!!

Maybe, but I'm betting that Lee's amendment won't get the support of most Republicans. They're going to propose some alternative that will be more like the 1997 one.
 

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Although I don't like tying government spending do GDP, myself. But I'm not one of those who has faith in government to begin with. Anything that makes those in government think harder about borrowing and spending is fine with me, because most of us know: they won't stop the borrowing and spending.
 
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Although I don't like tying government spending do GDP, myself. But I'm not one of those who has faith in government to begin with. Anything that makes those in government think harder about borrowing and spending is fine with me, because most of us know: they won't stop the borrowing and spending.

And that is why I support our founder’s method. If Congress cannot meet its annual expenses from imposts, duties and miscellaneous excise taxes on specifically chosen articles of consumption, and decides to borrow during the course of a fiscal year for an emergency such as war, that’s fine with me so long as the apportioned tax is immediately laid to pay back the money borrowed. In other words, I want every State’s Congressional delegation to return home with a bill and hand it over to their State’s Governor and Legislature, who will be stuck with having to transfer that money from the State’s Treasury into the Treasury of the united States, or raise additional taxes within the states and then transfer that money into the federal treasury to extinguish the deficit created by Congress.

And so, how do we get Ron or Rand Paul to propose a joint resolution for the following balanced budget amendment to be sent to the States for ratification?

“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money

NOTE: these words would return us to our founding father’s ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as they intended it to operate! And, these words would remove the existing chains of taxation which Congress now uses to enslave America‘s businesses, its industrial and manufacturing base, and they would end the slavish tax which now confiscates the bread which working people have earned!

"SECTION 2. Congress ought not raise money by borrowing, but when the money arising from imposts duties and excise taxes are insufficient to meet the public exigencies, and Congress has raised money by borrowing during the course of a fiscal year, Congress shall then lay a direct tax at the beginning of the next fiscal year for an amount sufficient to extinguish the preceding fiscal year's deficit, and apply the revenue so raised to extinguishing said deficit."

NOTE: Congress is to raise its primary revenue from imposts and duties, [taxes at our water’s edge], and may also lay miscellaneous internal excise taxes on specifically chosen articles of consumption.


"SECTION 3. When Congress is required to lay a direct tax in accordance with Section 1 of this Article, the Secretary of the United States Treasury shall, in a timely manner, calculate each State's apportioned share of the total sum being raised by dividing its total population size by the total population of the united states and multiplying that figure by the total sum being raised by Congress, and then provide the various State Congressional Delegations with a Bill notifying their State’s Executive and Legislature of its share of the total tax being collected and a final date by which said tax shall be paid into the United States Treasury."

NOTE: our founder’s fair share formula to extinguish a deficit is :

States’ population

---------------------------- X SUM TO BE RAISED = STATE’S SHARE

Total U.S. Population


"SECTION 4. Each State shall be free to assume and pay its quota of the direct tax into the United States Treasury by a final date set by Congress, but if any State shall refuse or neglect to pay its quota, then Congress shall send forth its officers to assess and levy such State's proportion against the real property within the State with interest thereon at the rate of ((?)) per cent per annum, and against the individual owners of the taxable property. Provision shall be made for a 15% discount for those States paying their share by ((?))of the fiscal year in which the tax is laid, and a 10% discount for States paying by the final date set by Congress, such discount being to defray the States' cost of collection."

For historical documentation concerning our founder’s rule of apportionment as related to taxation and extinguishing a deficit CLICK HERE.



It’s all about a very real moment of accountability. Having to bring home a bill and not pork is what our big spending, blood sucking vampire members of Congress hate and fear with a passion. How dare someone wants a mechanism in our Constitution to actually encourage every member of Congress to act frugal and fiscally responsible to avoid the consequences of having to return home with a bill and not pork.


JWK
 
And that is why I support our founder’s method. If Congress cannot meet its annual expenses from imposts, duties and miscellaneous excise taxes on specifically chosen articles of consumption, and decides to borrow during the course of a fiscal year for an emergency such as war, that’s fine with me so long as the apportioned tax is immediately laid to pay back the money borrowed. In other words, I want every State’s Congressional delegation to return home with a bill and hand it over to their State’s Governor and Legislature, who will be stuck with having to transfer that money from the State’s Treasury into the Treasury of the united States, or raise additional taxes within the states and then transfer that money into the federal treasury to extinguish the deficit created by Congress.

And so, how do we get Ron or Rand Paul to propose a joint resolution for the following balanced budget amendment to be sent to the States for ratification?

“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money

NOTE: these words would return us to our founding father’s ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as they intended it to operate! And, these words would remove the existing chains of taxation which Congress now uses to enslave America‘s businesses, its industrial and manufacturing base, and they would end the slavish tax which now confiscates the bread which working people have earned!

"SECTION 2. Congress ought not raise money by borrowing, but when the money arising from imposts duties and excise taxes are insufficient to meet the public exigencies, and Congress has raised money by borrowing during the course of a fiscal year, Congress shall then lay a direct tax at the beginning of the next fiscal year for an amount sufficient to extinguish the preceding fiscal year's deficit, and apply the revenue so raised to extinguishing said deficit."

NOTE: Congress is to raise its primary revenue from imposts and duties, [taxes at our water’s edge], and may also lay miscellaneous internal excise taxes on specifically chosen articles of consumption.


"SECTION 3. When Congress is required to lay a direct tax in accordance with Section 1 of this Article, the Secretary of the United States Treasury shall, in a timely manner, calculate each State's apportioned share of the total sum being raised by dividing its total population size by the total population of the united states and multiplying that figure by the total sum being raised by Congress, and then provide the various State Congressional Delegations with a Bill notifying their State’s Executive and Legislature of its share of the total tax being collected and a final date by which said tax shall be paid into the United States Treasury."

NOTE: our founder’s fair share formula to extinguish a deficit is :

States’ population

---------------------------- X SUM TO BE RAISED = STATE’S SHARE

Total U.S. Population


"SECTION 4. Each State shall be free to assume and pay its quota of the direct tax into the United States Treasury by a final date set by Congress, but if any State shall refuse or neglect to pay its quota, then Congress shall send forth its officers to assess and levy such State's proportion against the real property within the State with interest thereon at the rate of ((?)) per cent per annum, and against the individual owners of the taxable property. Provision shall be made for a 15% discount for those States paying their share by ((?))of the fiscal year in which the tax is laid, and a 10% discount for States paying by the final date set by Congress, such discount being to defray the States' cost of collection."

For historical documentation concerning our founder’s rule of apportionment as related to taxation and extinguishing a deficit CLICK HERE.



It’s all about a very real moment of accountability. Having to bring home a bill and not pork is what our big spending, blood sucking vampire members of Congress hate and fear with a passion. How dare someone wants a mechanism in our Constitution to actually encourage every member of Congress to act frugal and fiscally responsible to avoid the consequences of having to return home with a bill and not pork.


JWK

All good and well, but when people quote "the founders," I remember these are people that didn't give women or slaves equal voting rights, so forgive me for doubting the governing documents or precedents they left behind, as I don't view them as sacred. The fact is, much like then, elected bodies do what they want, and no written law by man will restrain their majority rule. The previous 200+ years has proven that.--sorry for being pessimistic.
 
All good and well, but when people quote "the founders," I remember these are people that didn't give women or slaves equal voting rights, so forgive me .

I will leave you to forgive yourself for your own absurd comment.

JWK


“The proportion of taxes are fixed by the number of inhabitants, and not regulated by the extent of the territory, or fertility of soil 3 Elliot‘s, 243, “Each state will know, from its population, its proportion of any general tax” 3 Elliot‘s, 244
 
We should focus on the content in the Constitution that is intended to preserve liberty, rather than discredit the majority of the Constitution as "guilt by association" because some of its authors owned slaves.
 
We should focus on the content in the Constitution that is intended to preserve liberty, rather than discredit the majority of the Constitution as "guilt by association" because some of its authors owned slaves.

The sad thing is, not one in ten thousand people understand the importance of the rule of apportionment as applied to taxation, and that if it were enforced today how it would encourage Congress to act fiscally responsible to avoid having to impose the direct tax among the states to extinguish an annual deficit.

What troubles me is, I am surprised that Ron and Rand Paul have not led the fight to return to our Constitution’s original tax plan with the same enthusiasm which they correctly advocate a return to honest money as the two are inextricably connected in the promotion of a government designed to advance liberty and economic freedom!

Unfortunately, I do not even know of one so called “conservative” radio/tv talk show host defending as tax reform, a return to our Constitution’s original tax plan which was specifically designed to preclude a slavish system of taxation.

Who among the following list has ever taken the time to even discuss our Constitution’s original tax plan as our founding fathers intended it to operate: Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Laura Ingraham, Schnitt, Mark Levin, Dennis Prager, Bill O'rielly, Mike Gallagher, Lee Rodgers, Neal Boortz. Tammy Bruce, Monica Crowley, Herman Cain, Mike Huckabee …. WHO?


JWK


Honest money and honest taxation … the keys to America’s future prosperity
 
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