Senator Cruz is correct in supporting Mike Pence!

[Christian Liberty]

What is "gay rights"?

Romans 1:32.

 

[Millennial Conservatarian]

The problems with this argument are:

1) Most young people don't vote, so the advice tries to placate a group that won't be a factor in the election (assuming they even are pro-gay rights, which is disputable).

2) Most voters, young or older, are not single issue voters, so their votes don't turn on a single topic anyway---thus pandering on one issue to a slither of the electorate is an unbalanced and unproductive campaign emphasis.

3) Most single issue voters, whose votes do turn on the issue, are socially conservative (the vote usually cuts 2-1 right, based on decades of election results). For Rand to make no effort to reject social left dogmas will not win him votes, and more likely cost him in the primaries.

Young voters and most independents won't even listen to anything else a candidate has to say if their first impression is that they're a theocrat crusading against gays

 

[milgram]

But unless the entire Civil Rights act is going to be repealed, we're stuck dealing within the framework of the current system.

Why not just repeal the part that applies to private property? That's only a small part of whole thing, yet it would solve a lot of problems when one made-up right conflicts with another.

I'd rather see Rand propose a broader liberty-oriented solution than limit himself to a simple yes or no to Mike Pence. I know it's a minefield though.

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

Young voters and most independents won't even listen to anything else a candidate has to say if their first impression is that they're a theocrat crusading against gays

I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say something like this "I agree with Republicans on everything except the stupid issues like gay marriage, so I'm a Republican."

 

[Millennial Conservatarian]

I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say something like this "I agree with Republicans on everything except the stupid issues like gay marriage, so I'm a Republican."

I'm not talking about the people who are "Republican on everything else".

I'm talking about the independents and young people who have never voted for a Republican in their entire life but might be warming to Rand (or were warming to Ron) because they see him as a possibly-not-crazy Republican who they could possibly support.

 

[Jamesiv1]

What is your point? Do you object to people being free to mutually agree in their contracts and associations? Do you have a problem with allowing the magic of a free market system to work?

JWK

Why do you hate America?

 

[erowe1]

They passed a broad law that allows basically anything under the guise of "my religion..."

No they didn't.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Rand's not going to be able to escape from his comments on the Civil Rights Act.

He's either going to have to own them or accept a bright red "FLIP-FLOPPER" label on his forehead.

I say own it. Spell out the libertarian position very clearly and without getting defensive. Be nonchalant about it.

...same with this Indiana business, which, once Rand is forced to comment, will inevitably lead the media back to the Civil Rights Act.

Gotta take a stand here.

The socons and libertarians will both like it (though for different reasons), and at least some of the left might grudgingly respect it. It's the best play for a shit hand.

 

[erowe1]

Good opinion piece from Penn Jillette:



http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/02/opinions/jillette-indiana-law/index.html

When did anyone ever say that their religion prohibited them from making cake for people that were gay?

 

[johnwk]

Why do you hate America?

Why do act like a fool?


JWK

 

[johnwk]

Why do Republican politicians cave in to the homosexual lobby?

Why are our politicians so willing to cave in and use government force to impinge upon the inalienable right of people being free to mutually agree in their contracts and associations?

Have our politicians, especially Republican Politicians, forgotten the Equal Rights Amendment of the 1980s was rejected by the American People and one of the reasons for its rejection was it would have made homosexuals a constitutionally protected class and have allowed the force of government to be used to compel the American People to associate with and engage in unwanted contracts with homosexuals? Why are our Republican Politicians trying to force the American People to associate with homosexuals and engage in unwanted contracts with them without their consent? What do Republican Politicians have against people being free to choose?

JWK

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Why are our politicians so willing to cave in and use government force to impinge upon the inalienable right of people being free to mutually agree in their contracts and associations?

Aren't you the one that's constantly railing against open borders policies that don't exist?

 

[johnwk]

Aren't you the one that's constantly railing against open borders policies that don't exist?

There is no open border policy being carried out by the Obama Administration? Do you follow the news? And what is your point with regard to the topic of the thread: Senator Cruz is correct in supporting Mike Pence!


JWK

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

There is no open border policy being carried out by the Obama Administration? Do you follow the news? And what is your point with regard to the topic of the thread: Senator Cruz is correct in supporting Mike Pence!

I didn't know the Obama administration supported open border policies by deporting more immigrants than any other administration in U.S. history.

And my point was that you are a total hypocrite to claim you support the principles of private property while at the same time proposing more border/immigration restrictions.

 

[ctiger2]

Birds of a Satanic Israeli Zionist feather flock together...

Getting a bite to eat together at the Zionist Organization of America!

 

[johnwk]

I didn't know the Obama administration supported open border policies by deporting more immigrants than any other administration in U.S. history.

And my point was that you are a total hypocrite to claim you support the principles of private property while at the same time proposing more border/immigration restrictions.

Really? do you have any "restrictions" on who you allow into your home or are your doors open to allow anyone in who passes by? You insulting comment is groundless.


JWK

 

[Sola_Fide]

Except that Pence is sort of starting to back down.

Exactly. Mike Pence doesn't even support Mike Pence.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Really? do you have any "restrictions" on who you allow into your home or are your doors open to allow anyone in who passes by? You insulting comment is groundless.

Big difference between who I let come and go on MY property verses you using the government to tell me who I can and can't have on my property.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Big difference between who I let come and go on MY property verses you using the government to tell me who I can and can't have on my property.

With all due respect, that doesn't make any sense in this debate.