Senate vote 100-0

[NIU Students for Liberty]

And how has voting as Dr. No helped the cause of liberty exactly? He may win the nomination, he may win the Presidency? Woo underwhelming whoo...Perhaps a little more Sophism may be beneficial. May make his fathers views and likely his views mainstream, who knows?

Surely you jest. Ron Paul is the biggest reason why support for libertarian ideas has expanded to such a large degree (and in a matter of only 4 years might I add). Without him, no one in the mainstream political sphere would be discussing the federal reserve, what constitutes a just war, civil liberties, etc. For Rand to pander to the chicken hawks just to expand his Republican base and save face completely contradicts what drew diverse supporters to his father and libertarianism. You essentially wrote off what Ron could accomplish as president with your "woo underwhelming" comment so how would Rand be anymore of a benefit to the cause of liberty?

 

[Inny Binny]

The Afghanistan vote was terrible and is probably Paul's worst ever. Whether he had to be convinced or not to grant the authority, I don't know. But there's a clear difference between the two. Ron despises the eventual results that piece of legislation led to. Rand completely supports Iranian sanctions.

 

[Corey]

Rand Paul, war monger, disappointing.

I read all 19 pages of this thread, hoping for some extenuating circumstances. So there's no one left but Ron Paul. Looking more and more like we will be having a sanguine revolution w/o the 3VOL part.

 

[mediahasyou]

Iranian War Countdown: 6 months, which is the date the sanctions enact

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

The Afghanistan vote was terrible and is probably Paul's worst ever. Whether he had to be convinced or not to grant the authority, I don't know. But there's a clear difference between the two. Ron despises the eventual results that piece of legislation led to. Rand completely supports Iranian sanctions.

You don't know if Rand honestly believes that or just says that to stay within the mainstream.

 

[LibertyEagle]

The thing that Ron Paul has that NO other Candidate has, or possibly will is his being consistent. Even if that has meant being the one no vote. He has 100% of the time voted for PRINCIPLE over POLITICS. Even I do not agree with Ron Paul 100% of the time, but I at least know where his reasoning is always based.

^^ This and Agreed. Who can we Run against him in Kentucky when the time comes. Rand just wrote himself out of my book.

Oh, I suppose you can donate to Trey Grayson, Utah.

With all the crappy Senators in D.C., and you want to replace Rand. Brilliant

 

[LibertyEagle]

No, we can't just drop this and say "oh, we're all so sure he's just fantastic on everything else so let's just ignore this, Rand Paul 2016!!!!!!" Sanctions on countries plunge millions into poverty. This is one of the most devastating things one can do to humanity. It definitely has more of an impact than the PATRIOT Act and the NDAA indefinite detention. And it sure as hell matters more than some neocon snuggle-fest allowing giant corporations to pollute every square inch of land (oh come on: we all know the Republican plan to gut the EPA will be followed by conveniently forgetting about those things called property rights).

And as to this fuss over whether sanctions are acts of war: who cares? What is undeniable is that they are one of the most appalling acts of aggression thinkable, and cause untold damage to the livelihood of millions.

Uh, you do realize that Ron Paul is not a big lover of the EPA, either, don't you?

 

[susano]

Here goes Rand Paul pandering to the neocons and giving us liberty minded people the finger

Exactly. I'm sorry I ever game him a dime (which was hard for me because I'm poor - never again). As Ron says, sanctions are an act of war and this sickening imperialist aggression, that is destroying this country and wreaking havoc all over the world, is one of my top issues. I cannot excuse this. I don't care if it's sincere or some twisted political strategy, it's not acceptable.

When Rand was running, I got an email about how he supported Israel. I saw that as pandering. Maybe it wasn't. I was not happy about that, at all. Next came his (what I saw as) being defensive of British Petroleum, whose conduct in the Gulf has been outrageous. That pissed me off. Now, sanctions against Iran? Fuck that. Three strikes and you're out, Rand.

 

[susano]

Sad that when Ron leaves Congress, there won't be a single non-interventionist in the entire Congress, save for Kwiatkowski managing to make it in.

You mean among Republicans? Because there are a couple of Democrats who aren't, like Kucinich and the commie, Barbara Lee.

 

[Conza88]

Here's the vote. Rand Paul voted Yes.

Statement of Purpose: To require the imposition of sanctions with respect to the financial sector of Iran, including the Central Bank of Iran.

SOURCE:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=1&vote=00216

This was a losing battle so I don't blame Rand Paul (99-1 means nothing), but his Freedom Index score will drop.

99-1 means EVERYTHING. Coming from a Ron Paul supporter that's one of the most bs statements I've ever read on these forums.

Congratulations.

 

[susano]

That's what US politicians want. They think that brown children are going to grow up to become terrorists. Why else would they and their fervent supporters want children dead?

Well, the Allies murdered lots of white Europeans, so don't think that the US and/or NATO wouldn't do it again. That said, I am in 100% agreement with your sig:

You cannot support Israel without hating and wishing genocide upon Muslims

Our number one problem is Zionism, which has infested this country. Rand seems to be very much leaning in their direction.

After this election, I'm done with politicians. If I had the means, I'd leave the country.

 

[susano]

Amash drank the Iran fear kool-aid too.

Link?

 

[susano]

Rand opposed the payroll tax cut, but was willing to compromise with the President in return for the pipeline deal. Rand whined that the payroll tax cut didn't create jobs. I, on the other hand, see cutting payroll taxes as a good thing in their own right.

You're saying that Rand supports the Keystone Pipeline (a slap in the face to property owners who oppose it)?

 

[susano]

A boycott is free individuals choosing not to buy something. A sanction is a government prohibiting people from buying something. In this case, the US government is trying to ban the entire world from doing business with Iran.

And that's called economic warfare (financial terrorism).

 

[Diurdi]

Can't say how pissed I am that EU went with US on this. This is the last thing an economy as weak as the EU should do. I guess they think that a war with Iran will 1) provide economic stimulus 2) distract the people from the real problems.

 

[susano]

How did Japan invading mainland Asia threaten US security? The Japanese said that the attack on the USS Panay was a mistake, they did not see the US flag, and paid an indemnity for it. Similar to the USS Liberty incident with Israel, although I don't think Israel paid anything for it, or got any sanctions for it, but just got more US aid.

And the attack by the Zionist entity on the USS Liberty was INTENTIONAL.

 

[Inny Binny]

Uh, you do realize that Ron Paul is not a big lover of the EPA, either, don't you?

Of course he isn't. Neither am I. But the clear difference between Paul and the others is that he would uphold property rights and pollution would be lower, whereas most in the Republican party would be perfectly happy to let corporates pollute as much as they want, making the situation even worse. So it's pretty hard to support the Republican effort to abolish the EPA when you know it's not actually going to result in a more libertarian society.

 

[susano]

Can't say how pissed I am that EU went with US on this. This is the last thing an economy as weak as the EU should do. I guess they think that a war with Iran will 1) provide economic stimulus 2) distract the people from the real problems.

The US and the EU = the Zionist New World Order. The enforcement arm is NATO.

 

[Diurdi]

The US and the EU = the Zionist New World Order. The enforcement arm is NATO.

Yeah... no.

 

[susano]

China rejects US-led sanctions on Iran

The legislation requires foreign financial firms to make a choice between doing business with Iran's Central Bank and oil sector or with the US financial sector.

It will not, however, go into effect for six months in order to provide oil markets with time to adjust.

It also includes a "waiver" allowing the president to suspend the sanctions in case he decides that the anti-Iran attempt will adversely impact national security interests of the US.

The inclusion of the “waiver” in the bill reflects major concerns among American lawmakers that the bullying approach of the US against the Islamic Republic will backfire across the globe.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/219268.html


South Korea has announced that it will buy around 10 percent of its needed crude from Iran in 2012, which will be slightly higher than last year.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/219297.html