Senate vote 100-0

[TheDrakeMan]

^^ This and Agreed. Who can we Run against him in Kentucky when the time comes. Rand just wrote himself out of my book.

You may start your own movement if this is what you plan. Because the Ron Paul movement from the beginning has been about making allies and winning people over. Even if Rand Paul is only 95% aligned with Ron Paul, that makes him the most libertarian in the Senate by far. If you want to run someone against him for the sake of ideologically purity, like some fringe Mises AnCap, then fine. But don't do expect to do it here where many of us have worked hard to get him into the senate in the first place. Otherwise you'll start losing a lot of us that are Rand Paul fans, that's for sure.

 

[PreDeadMan]

Here goes Rand Paul pandering to the neocons and giving us liberty minded people the finger

 

[FrankRep]

One bad vote on a 99% Yes issue.

It's not the end of the world.

 

[kylejack]

Absolutely, lets just believe whatever the NY Times says. If the NY Times says it, its got to be true. LOL.

Read the thread. Numerous sources are cited, including the vote.

 

[centure7]

Here's the vote. Rand Paul voted Yes.

Statement of Purpose: To require the imposition of sanctions with respect to the financial sector of Iran, including the Central Bank of Iran.

SOURCE:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=1&vote=00216

This was a losing battle so I don't blame Rand Paul (99-1 means nothing), but his Freedom Index score will drop.

Wow, Rand Paul did apparently vote for sanctions against Iran. Sounds like he's just another politician. I regret helping him campaign assuming that the law was titled correctly.

 

[centure7]

One bad vote on a 99% Yes issue.

It's not the end of the world.

Its the end of Rand Paul's support of the non-aggression principle.

 

[anaconda]

How could anyone not like Rand Paul?

I am a huge Rand supporter but this Iran sanction issue bugs the crap out of me. I called his office a few months ago about the letter to Obama that he cosigned which encouraged the President to employ sanctions on Iran. I could not get an answer from his office. I told the lady working the phones that people on the Ron Paul Forums "were pissed."

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Rand was also okay with the Libya bill that contained language offering covert and material support for the rebels in Libya (and, since there are typically "secret" interpretations of bills by the executive branch, like the PATRIOT Act and AUMF, who knows where else that authority is extended) and supporting the removal of Gaddafi as leader of Libya. He only objected when called onto the carpet with regards to the No Fly Zone bill. Senate procedure is that the No Fly Zone-amended bill was sent to his office earlier in the day, so either Rand or his staff dropped the ball on the No Fly Zone, or they supported it.

A candidate must meet two requirements for my support:

1. Taxation is theft
2. Strict and complete adherence to non-interventionist and peaceful foreign policy

 

[ZanZibar]

Sanctions against Iran and flying drones over their nation is an act of war.

Actually they are not. They are a prelude to war, not an act of war. Blockades are an act of war. But sanctions in and of themselves are not.

 

[TheDriver]

Rand, and his staff, dropped the ball on this one!

 

[ShaneEnochs]

We almost always vote for the lesser of two evils. Rand does promote the cause of liberty, even though he has a horrible foreign policy. He's stated a few times that foreign policy is where he and his father are at odds. He's not voting yes because of any kind of manipulation, he's voting yes because he believes sanctions are necessary for whatever reason. I wouldn't go as far as calling him a neocon, but he's definitely a hawk. However, if the choice came down to a candidate like Newt Gingrich / Mitt Romney or him, I'd pick him every time because of his liberty stances.

He doesn't get me excited like Ron does, though, I'd I probably wouldn't push as hard as I am for Ron since Rand doesn't fit in my neat circle of beliefs, but I would likely vote for him should he run for president and there are no other viable candidates.

Just my two cents.

 

[Chieppa1]

Actually they are not. They are a prelude to war, not an act of war. Blockades are an act of war. But sanctions in and of themselves are not.

Matter of fact or opinion? I think the Japanese would have a different opinion.

 

[AGRP]

I regret donating to his campaign.

Im requesting to be removed from his mailing list the next time he sends me another request for money. I suggest everyone to do the same if you agree and dont forget to tell them why youre doing it.

 

[muzzled dogg]

Disappointing

 

[jmdrake]

Ron Paul = Gandalf standing firm against the balrog.
Rand Paul = Frodo disguised as an orc to sneak behind enemy lines.

Any questions?

 

[xFiFtyOnE]

I think Rand just voted yes to save face with the establishment. He knew his vote VS 99 others wouldn't make a difference. In the future, if he does run for president maybe he won't face the problems that Ron does as an "outsider", I think that's his plan.

 

[jmdrake]

Actually they are not. They are a prelude to war, not an act of war. Blockades are an act of war. But sanctions in and of themselves are not.

Ron disagrees with you.



And this is the risk of Rand. He undermines Ron's message to the point of Ron's own supporters speaking against Ron's positions in order to stick up for Rand. That said I understand why Rand does what he does and I suspect he does it with Ron's blessing. But people need to understand that this is a strategy and not what Rand really believes.

 

[LibertyEagle]

He loses my vote in 2016 over this.

Oh, come on. It's a long time until then. Let's see what he does.

 

[LibertyEagle]

And this is the risk of Rand. He undermines Ron's message to the point of Ron's own supporters speaking against Ron's positions in order to stick up for Rand. That said I understand why Rand does what he does and I suspect he does it with Ron's blessing. But people need to understand that this is a strategy and not what Rand really believes.

I want to believe that is the case. I will be watching closely to see how this unfolds.

 

[Fredom101]

How could anyone not like Rand Paul?

Because he just voted for war with Iran.
Unless you don't believe his dad who consistently has said that sanctions=war.