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Rand Paul is using political strategy and fighting battles he has a chance of winning.
 
RickyJ said:
Sanctions against Iran and flying drones over their nation is an act of war.

It seems they want to get this war started as soon as possible before Ron Paul has a chance to win.
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That's only going to drive more people over to Ron Paul's anti-war message.

Edit: I would have liked to see Rand stand alone on this issue.
 
What is Iran to think when EVERY MEMBER OF A LEGISLATIVE BODY IN THE US votes to sanction them? What will be the consequences for Americans here in the US, or Americans traveling abroad? Might Iran get the idea that the American people support what their government is doing? How else does it pass in a unanimous landslide?

Yes, of course one No vote counts for something.
 
FrankRep said:
Rand Paul is using political strategy and fighting battles he has a chance of winning.
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What do you see as the upside of this strategy?

And if he were to be elected president in 2016, should we expect him to continue following this strategy and get us into a war with Iran, or should we expect him all of a sudden to change into his dad when the political pressure to compromise will be 10 times what he's experiencing now?
 
FrankRep said:
Rand Paul is using political strategy and fighting battles he has a chance of winning.
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Like when he went on TV and opposed the payroll tax cut recently? Ron Paul never voted for a tax increase and supported the payroll tax cut. Rand Paul opposes the payroll tax cut and nobody is ever going to call him The Taxpayer's Best Friend.
 
erowe1 said:
If we'd gotten John Hostettler into the senate, this vote would have been 99-1.
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Is he running again this time? He better get out front early so the teo-cons don't put up a candidate to go against him.
 
FrankRep said:
This was a losing battle so I don't blame Rand Paul (99-1 means nothing), but his Freedom Index score will drop.
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Slowdown everyone. I didn't say I agreed with Rand Paul. I said I don't blame him for voting yes.
 
If there is a landslide vote for something terrible that can't be stopped, and voting against it could have political consequences, the only ethical votes are NO or ABSTAIN. Not a yes vote.
 
Brian4Liberty said:
Is he running again this time? He better get out front early so the teo-cons don't put up a candidate to go against him.
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No, he's not. I'm not sure what the probability is of him ever running for something again, but my impression is that it's pretty low.
 
Sorry, but he's losing my vote over this. I don't know if this is even a politically expedient move, considering as only something like 16% of Americans support force against Iran (many want to try the diplomatic route first, I suspect). Like someone else said, if he caves in while he's in the Senate, how can we expect him to do a respectable job as president? I'm not going to tear my hair out over this, but I have serious concerns.

There is no way to excuse Rand from this.
 
kylejack said:
Fortunately, Ron Paul understands the value and importance of a 434-1 vote, and does it all the time. The apple fell pretty far from the tree.
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Ron is fighting the establishment from the outside. I hope Rand is fighting too, but it is likely from the inside. Distancing himself from his father's "Dr No" approach may have benefits. The establishment wants to have connections to power even if those connections prove seemingly useless (e.g., what the MIC insider hears: "no we won't be approving this weapons system" but what the insider thinks "sell defense company stock"). I doubt Rand will ever be Ron but who could? Maybe Rand likes to keep his enemies closer (like the old adage). Having people like Rand may just make Ron more palatable.

I'm content to see how Rand develops.
 
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Rand is not as idealistically pure as Ron. He doesn't excite me as much because of this. Sure I think he'd make a better President than any neo-con, but Ron's the man.
 
FrankRep said:
Rand Paul is using political strategy and fighting battles he has a chance of winning.
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The thing that Ron Paul has that NO other Candidate has, or possibly will is his being consistent. Even if that has meant being the one no vote. He has 100% of the time voted for PRINCIPLE over POLITICS. Even I do not agree with Ron Paul 100% of the time, but I at least know where his reasoning is always based.

Rothbardian Girl said:
Sorry, but he's losing my vote over this. I don't know if this is even a politically expedient move, considering as only something like 16% of Americans support force against Iran (many want to try the diplomatic route first, I suspect). Like someone else said, if he caves in while he's in the Senate, how can we expect him to do a respectable job as president? I'm not going to tear my hair out over this, but I have serious concerns.

There is no way to excuse Rand from this.
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^^ This and Agreed. Who can we Run against him in Kentucky when the time comes. Rand just wrote himself out of my book.
 
The Free Hornet said:
Ron is fighting the establishment from the outside. I hope Rand is fighting too, but it is likely from the inside. Distancing himself from his father's "Dr No" approach may have benefits. The establishment wants to have connections to power even if those connections prove seemingly useless (e.g., what the MIC insider hears: "no we won't be approving this weapons system" but what the insider thinks "sell defense company stock"). I doubt Rand will ever be Ron but who could? Maybe Rand likes to keep his enemies closer (like the old adage). Having people like Rand may just make Ron more palatable.

I'm content to see how Rand develops.
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I hope your right,If his ultimate goal is to become president and then follow his dads firmness i could see deceiving with the intent to do good.I guess time will tell,im defiantly suspect though
 
All I know is that on his next appearance on Freedom Watch he will be asked to explain himself.
 
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