Senate to vote on Iran resolution on Wednesday

[pcosmar]

ARE you going to ban me if I keep mentioning it?

Not likely,,

 

[John F Kennedy III]

by allowing himself to basically be blackmailed by AIPAC into forever doing Israel's bidding.

Yeah and that isn't somebody that anyone should vote for.

 

[klamath]

Yeah, the war in Afghanistan was originally a defensive war. Comparing a war that was the result of an attack on our soil to a preemptive war against a country that never attacked us is pretty ridiculous.

Afganistan NEVER attacked us. The only thing Afganistan did is refuse to turn over OBL. The AUMF was never just about Afganistan. It is a wide open declaration that specifically doesn't limit it to Afganistan. OBL was a Saudi. I do agree that at this point a vote for a AUMF against Iran after what we know today about the uselessness of war would be a bigger mistake. Rand has NOT voted for a AUMF against Iran however.

 

[klamath]

Apparently not. And the comparison of the Afghanistan AUMF with a hypothetical one against Iran is ridiculous. I don't like the Afghan AUMF but at least that was SUPPOSED to be limited to terrorists.

There is NO such thing as an Afgan AUMF. The AUMF that passed is consistently used and oked by courts for any action anywhere in the world.

That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

 

[devil21]

by allowing himself to basically be blackmailed by AIPAC into forever doing Israel's bidding.

Have you ever talked to someone that spouted absolute bullshit (political or otherwise) but you decided it was in you and everyone around's best interest at that moment to just smile, nod, and go on your way because it wasn't a battle you should fight at that exact moment?

Think about it.

(Im glad you are understanding better the motivations behind some of Rand's moves lately. You may not agree with it, and that's a-ok, but understanding the reasons is what I'm concerned with. Too many kneejerk reactions on Rand's rhetoric and votes that are not considering the "why".)

 

[devil21]

Because that's the most important consideration

All hail the zionists...


Seriously, these idiots think EVERYTHING is "Anti-Israel."

Spoken like a true firster.

 

[sailingaway]

Afganistan NEVER attacked us. The only thing Afganistan did is refuse to turn over OBL. The AUMF was never just about Afganistan. It is a wide open declaration that specifically doesn't limit it to Afganistan. OBL was a Saudi. I do agree that at this point a vote for a AUMF against Iran after what we know today about the uselessness of war would be a bigger mistake. Rand has NOT voted for a AUMF against Iran however.

it specifically limited it to those who caused 9/11. those words are in it.

planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001

You know this, I posted the text previously, and that the House 'clarified' it on Ron's bill, but Pelosi took the clarification out. YOu just put this in to get threads moved because you know it will start a fight. It doesn't win you supporters and drives people into camps against your position.

Poor tactic.