Senate 2012

Travis White for Amy Klobuchar's seat in Minnesota.

He's the greatest thing since sliced bread and an even greater pro-liberty candidate than Ron Paul. Well, he's not but it sure sounds good.

- ML

Unless you get a pretty liberal IPer running, nobody is going to be able to touch Klobuchar.

Here is my order of pickups that I think we should most focus on, combining viability and ideology.

UTAH: Jason Chaffetz is on the fast-track to party leadership, despite his open conflict with the neocon wing of the party. Considering Utah's party convention that can really control the results, I see this being a cheap pickup that we could get some outside help on.

MISSOURI: Sarah Steelman has already announced she is running for the Senate seat. She is not explicitly one of us, but when she ran for Governor in 2008 she attended CFL events and was considerate of our views. This will be an expensive race, but she should get some outside help from conservative interests (despite the likely entrance of former GOP Sen. Jim Talent).

FLORIDA: Word on the street is that Mike Hadripolos and Representative Mack both are looking at runs for Nelson's seat. Both are libertarian-leaning and both have the connections to be powerful fundraisers. Remember, it is important we recruit candidates who do not have to rely on us for fundraising this cycle because Ron Paul will suck away a decent chunk of that steam. They may not be perfect, but we wouldn't have to do to much to micromanage their bids.

NEW MEXICO: I include this only if Gary Johnson could run. I made a thread about this many months ago, but I think that his ability to self fund, name recognition in the state he governed, and ideology all make for an excellent pickup opportunity. However, if we have anybody else runs (including Kokesh) it is a non-starter.

TEXAS: Kay Bailey Hutchison will never make it out of a primary here. That being said, the question is who to run? Ron Paul could theoretically run and take a primary that pitted some of the big players; however, it seems we may need Dr. Paul to give us a top of the ticket effect for some people down ballot. Besides that, with his new subcommittee chairmanship he has no need to try to gain more influence in the more elite body. If he runs it will be for the big one. We could also see Debra Medina run, but the Glenn Beck affair really destroyed a lot of her credibility here. She would also surely face a strong fight against a Democrat (despite it being Texas), who would smell blood from a candidate with such a serious gaffe. I think Medina should run for the future, but a bit of time would probably be in order to reframe herself. I prefer a run for Dr. Paul's House seat when it opens up, but we will see.

MAINE: Many don't see incumbent GOP Senator Olympia Snowe making it out of a primary. If the environment is right, I think it could definitely happen. The nice thing here is it looks like we have a classical liberal with legitimate Tea Party connections ready to run with a bit of cash. His name is Andrew Ian Dodge, director of the state Tea Party Patriots. He openly trashes social conservatism and seems skeptical of the drug war and similar state overreaches. The big problem? Even if we get him out of a primary (which is a big if with LePage supporting Snowe), he will have to win in a Maine that will not have a massive enthusiasm gap and split moderate candidates. Maine's proclivity for third party candidates would also throw off the election calculus, although perhaps in his favor if 2010 is an indicator.

There are other potential places we could do decently with the right candidate in the right circumstances. These include:

-Mike Doherty running in New Jersey if Senator Menendez chose to retire
-Peter Schiff running in a three-way with Lieberman and a cleared primary field
-Chuck Devore or Tom Campbell in California if Feinstein retired for whatever reason (extremely unlikely). Campbell may run just b/c of California's new Top 2 primary, which will help his chances of surviving primary stage; Devore has indicated he will run for something in 2012, although he has not said what.
 
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Okay, I think the key to winning is to choose senate seats that are possible to win. Republicans won't win in liberal states. Ken Buck couldn't pull it off in Colorado, Sharron Angle couldn't win in Nevada (a state that overwhelmingly went for Obama, Angle raid 14 MILLION DOLLARS), and Fiorina in California.

If we think that one of candidates or any Republican for that matter can win in liberal states like California and Washington, I think we are sadly mistaken. This coming election there are many vulnerable democrats in conservative states that are polling very low (below 50%). These are the PERFECT places to field a candidate, pump with funds, get the Super PACs on our side, and win.

Look at this map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/2012_Senate_election_map.svg
These are the states that have senate elections in 2012.

Possible wins in 2012:
Florida
Nebraska
Montana
North Dakota
Virginia
Tennessee
Mississippi
Texas
Michigan
Wisconsin

I definitely supported either through donations of time or money many of liberty candidates such as Adam Kokesh, John Dennis, and Delia Lopez that in reality didn't have much of a chance. This is time to LEARN. This is time to become more EFFICIENT.

In Liberty,-LBC
 
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Unfortunately AG Greg Abbott and Lt.Gov. David Dewhurst are both interested in this position. They have good name id and the Establishment Republicans will settle on one, probably Dewhurst.
 
Ken Buck couldn't pull it off in Colorado, Sharron Angle couldn't win in Nevada (a state that overwhelmingly went for Obama, Angle raid 14 MILLION DOLLARS), and Fiorina in California.

Colorado and Nevada were both Buck and Angle's races to lose. Buck was predicted to win up through election night, if only by a razorthin margin, but he let the social issues drive the debate. And Sharon Angle? She had to run one of the worst campaigns imaginable! Agreed with California, although with an open seat it could be anybody's game if they have the right record and the right money.
 
Colorado and Nevada were both Buck and Angle's races to lose. Buck was predicted to win up through election night, if only by a razorthin margin, but he let the social issues drive the debate. And Sharon Angle? She had to run one of the worst campaigns imaginable! Agreed with California, although with an open seat it could be anybody's game if they have the right record and the right money.

Yes, but they still lost. And California will never be won by a Republican. In a Republican year both Republicans for the senate and governors race lost by more than one million votes! This is despite the fact Meg Whitman spent more than 160 million dollars and Fiorina had multiple cash infusions from herself, PACs, and national republican groups.

California voted 60% for Obama and will stay that way no matter who is running. John Dennis didn't even get 20% of the vote in California despite being a liberty candidate. Republicans vote for Republicans, and Democrats vote for Democrats. It is a cultural thing.
 
Montana would be a state that we could legitimately win. One of the more liberty-friendly states in America, it's not a big state, so it likely wouldn't cost $10m +, and I'm sure if 2012 is a Republican year, the Democratic incumbent could be in deep trouble.
 
Yes, but they still lost. And California will never be won by a Republican. In a Republican year both Republicans for the senate and governors race lost by more than one million votes! This is despite the fact Meg Whitman spent more than 160 million dollars and Fiorina had multiple cash infusions from herself, PACs, and national republican groups.

California voted 60% for Obama and will stay that way no matter who is running. John Dennis didn't even get 20% of the vote in California despite being a liberty candidate. Republicans vote for Republicans, and Democrats vote for Democrats. It is a cultural thing.

Both CA GOP race were mismanaged and had lousy candidates. Whitman avoided the press and hadn't voted in twenty years. While she had many campaign offices she treated volunteers with contempt and disdain.

On election night she had a private party for her paid staff fully catered with drinks and high end food. The volunteers got chips and cookies. Further she praised her staff for keeping the crazies away from her. Probably referring to grassroots activists, you know the kind that get out the vote on election day and make the volunteer connections that are needed to win a campaign.

The GOP candidate for attorney almost won statewide, yet spent very little money, proving that money is not everything and mismanaged campaigns can really screw up.

You had two arrogant elitist ladies, one of whom never voted in twenty years wanting to be the top political dogs in the state.

The consultants did very well making 90,000 a month.
 
Both CA GOP race were mismanaged and had lousy candidates. Whitman avoided the press and hadn't voted in twenty years. While she had many campaign offices she treated volunteers with contempt and disdain.

On election night she had a private party for her paid staff fully catered with drinks and high end food. The volunteers got chips and cookies. Further she praised her staff for keeping the crazies away from her. Probably referring to grassroots activists, you know the kind that get out the vote on election day and make the volunteer connections that are needed to win a campaign.

The GOP candidate for attorney almost won statewide, yet spent very little money, proving that money is not everything and mismanaged campaigns can really screw up.

You had two arrogant elitist ladies, one of whom never voted in twenty years wanting to be the top political dogs in the state.

The consultants did very well making 90,000 a month.

money is not everything, but liberal states are hard to win in, period. California you had big spenders with Fiorina and Whitman. Whitman had one of the best run campaigns because she had so much money. Her ads were targeted down to the language spoken in your home. If you spoke Cantonese or Farsi, you had ads coming in Cantonese or Farsi.

Yet, even with less elitist candidates such as Buck, Rossi, and Angle, they were still in very liberal states, and are very hard to win. Nevada voted over 100k for Obama. Colorado was similar. Washington has voted Democrat for the past 6 presidential elections. These states are hard to turn Republican even in great years for Republicans. Solid democrats are not going to vote for Republicans like Buck, Angle, Whitman, and Fiorina. They are culturally liberal so they are always going to vote liberal. Do you really think Rand would have had a chance in hell in California? Absolutely not.
 
we need to focus on the primaries. we need already identifiable candidates

The best shot we have is by far Medina in Texas. Everyone else is a waste of time, can't win or like sending John Dennis money even if they manage to win a primary.

Gary Johnson doesn't want to be a legislator, if he runs he will run for president. I would be surprised otherwise
 
Medina is a no-chance in hell race. Texas is too big for a grassroots effort, and the race would be too expensive. Hopefully, a good liberty candidate will run in Montana, Utah, or North Dakota, which are small states, that are already fairly conservative (Except for North dakota possibly).
 
Here is my order of pickups that I think we should most focus on, combining viability and ideology.

UTAH: Jason Chaffetz is on the fast-track to party leadership, despite his open conflict with the neocon wing of the party. Considering Utah's party convention that can really control the results, I see this being a cheap pickup that we could get some outside help on.

Agreed. This should be priority number one. Get the Tea Party people excited about going 2 for 2 in Utah. Orrin Hatch voted for the bailout and has a number of bad votes. However, he will be expecting it this time, so we've got to take it at the convention.

MISSOURI: Sarah Steelman has already announced she is running for the Senate seat. She is not explicitly one of us, but when she ran for Governor in 2008 she attended CFL events and was considerate of our views. This will be an expensive race, but she should get some outside help from conservative interests (despite the likely entrance of former GOP Sen. Jim Talent).

If Talent enters, this could become another of those races that the media believes is over and Steelman will have no chance. It's a messy state because of the competitiveness of the Primary and you still have a sitting Senator who can garner support in Missouri like crazy. If Talent enters, stay away from this.

FLORIDA: Word on the street is that Mike Hadripolos and Representative Mack both are looking at runs for Nelson's seat. Both are libertarian-leaning and both have the connections to be powerful fundraisers. Remember, it is important we recruit candidates who do not have to rely on us for fundraising this cycle because Ron Paul will suck away a decent chunk of that steam. They may not be perfect, but we wouldn't have to do to much to micromanage their bids.

This is a good plan. Just like Amash and Mike Lee, having people who can do it mostly on their own, but have some nudges from us from time-to-time is a good strategy. We can't have a million moneybombs like last time for all of these candidates, most of whom don't have a chance at winning.

NEW MEXICO: I include this only if Gary Johnson could run. I made a thread about this many months ago, but I think that his ability to self fund, name recognition in the state he governed, and ideology all make for an excellent pickup opportunity. However, if we have anybody else runs (including Kokesh) it is a non-starter.

It is unfortunate Gary Johnson doesn't look at this more closely. He could make a serious run here and would be a great Senator. You are right on the money. If anyone else runs, we have no hope in New Mexico.

TEXAS: Kay Bailey Hutchison will never make it out of a primary here. That being said, the question is who to run? Ron Paul could theoretically run and take a primary that pitted some of the big players; however, it seems we may need Dr. Paul to give us a top of the ticket effect for some people down ballot. Besides that, with his new subcommittee chairmanship he has no need to try to gain more influence in the more elite body. If he runs it will be for the big one. We could also see Debra Medina run, but the Glenn Beck affair really destroyed a lot of her credibility here. She would also surely face a strong fight against a Democrat (despite it being Texas), who would smell blood from a candidate with such a serious gaffe. I think Medina should run for the future, but a bit of time would probably be in order to reframe herself. I prefer a run for Dr. Paul's House seat when it opens up, but we will see.

...If only more of us had voted for PPP to poll Texas the two chances we had... It would be nice to poll Texas to see if Medina has any support. If she does, then this might be a good choice for a seat. Ron won't run for the Senate, I am almost positive. This looks like a state where we can just hope they don't elect someone worse than Kay Bailey, as hard as that is.

MAINE: Many don't see incumbent GOP Senator Olympia Snowe making it out of a primary. If the environment is right, I think it could definitely happen. The nice thing here is it looks like we have a classical liberal with legitimate Tea Party connections ready to run with a bit of cash. His name is Andrew Ian Dodge, director of the state Tea Party Patriots. He openly trashes social conservatism and seems skeptical of the drug war and similar state overreaches. The big problem? Even if we get him out of a primary (which is a big if with LePage supporting Snowe), he will have to win in a Maine that will not have a massive enthusiasm gap and split moderate candidates. Maine's proclivity for third party candidates would also throw off the election calculus, although perhaps in his favor if 2010 is an indicator.

Maine is probably a dead state for us. It is in the same vein as Massachusetts and New York. The world will explode before a liberty candidate is elected in either of those places.

There are other potential places we could do decently with the right candidate in the right circumstances. These include:

-Mike Doherty running in New Jersey if Senator Menendez chose to retire
-Peter Schiff running in a three-way with Lieberman and a cleared primary field
-Chuck Devore or Tom Campbell in California if Feinstein retired for whatever reason (extremely unlikely). Campbell may run just b/c of California's new Top 2 primary, which will help his chances of surviving primary stage; Devore has indicated he will run for something in 2012, although he has not said what.

I have said it a hundred times, the likelihood of Schiff ever becoming a Senator in CT is very, very low. Anyone in California runs at their own risk.
 
let's get smart with moneybombs this time. urban candidates can't win. liberal districts aren't going to magically change. let's have a few and make them big!
 
Does Ron want it?

It is highly doubtful he does. I can't remember one interview or press release where he has even mentioned the Senate seat, much less considered he wants to run for it. What would he be able to do as a one-term Freshman Senator that he couldn't do as a Senior member of Congress?
 
It is highly doubtful he does. I can't remember one interview or press release where he has even mentioned the Senate seat, much less considered he wants to run for it. What would he be able to do as a one-term Freshman Senator that he couldn't do as a Senior member of Congress?

your vote is worth less as a house rep, but seniority is everything, definitely.
 
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Does Chaffetz vote for the Patriot Act take him off the list?

Chaffetz is similar to Flake. He would be an ally more often than not. I would hope that people from our movement would get behind him, but I don't think the movement itself should.

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Virginia is a possible pickup, here's why

Delegate Bob Marshall; a staunch Ron Paul supporter and Ken Cuccinelli ally from their years in the State Assembly is eyeing a shot at the U.S Senate Seat being vacated by the retiring Jim Webb.

Mr. Webb won the seat from Republican George Allen by a very small margin. Delegate Marshall can expect support from all three of statewide office holders if he can win the Republican nomination. Governor McDonnell won his race with an almost 400,000 vote margin as did Attn. Gen. Cuccinelli

Former Governor and Senator George Allen is planning to run again, and if he does, we can kiss this seat good-bye for another 6 years, the Republicans running former Governor Jim Gilmore, over Del. Marshall cost them the seat in 2008 to former Gov. Mark R. Warner.
 
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