Seasteading

As much as I have read of her writings, she claims that once the houseboat thing was over, she met a man, fell in love and married, as Calvin was just a family friend, who she got close to in that time.

They moved off where he wanted, and Calvin never left his home in the swamp. They didn't dislike each other, and did not speak or see each other for thirty years. They were just indifferent. Isn't that just like a seventies couple? :)

Whereas I understand theirs to have been a more escapist/naturalist adventure, I propose doing something comparably eclectic but with an activist/internet bent and an Rv, and a greater degree of danger. Or maybe not more dangerous, considering the alligators.

Whaddya think?

I have to find the other half of a Pair, though. It's not tenable alone.
 
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Well, it started out with Calvin wanting to get back to his roots. Which is ABOVE admirable to me.

Well, it'd have been dangerous to anyone who does live here, but he grew up in these parts, so it's second nature to him. I can tell people of swimming with alligator snappers and gatprs that aren't form here, and they think I am a loon. But, people here know how to move without seeming like a threat around these creatures.
 
I grew up on the lakes on central FL fishing, swimming and boating. I've been chased off by bull gators during the mating season protecting their territory. I've caught catfish with my hands (watch those snappers!). There's something so beautiful and yet mysterious about the tannin tinted waters of the south. I remember being about 5 or 6 in the woods by myself and coming across a bobcat. I was scared to death but she just ran as quick as she could. That's how nature is most of the time--it's built around respect.

Love that lifestyle and in a way I can't wait to get back.
 
Your post reminds me of something that happened recently.

I was asked by a chick who lived in chicago why I liked the south, or even the country so much. My answer?

I can remember being a very small child, walking barefoot to get fresh yard eggs from the pens, walking through the rows of peppers and watermelons, picking a pepper and praying it wasn't hot and chewing on it until getting inside with the eggs.

I remember being greeted with the bacon laying in thick layers in the bottom of the deep freezer, maw maw slicing it pretty nicely, and frying it up, with a large pan of fresh catheads cooling on the counter, a pitcher of fresh milk with cream on top sitting in the middle of the table, handing the eggs of to be cooked sunny side up.

I remember running off after breakfast down to handlebar creek and swinging into the cold waters from those old rusty handlebars hanging form a rope, being sure to shuffle on the water's bottom as to know what was down there, and avoid getting bitten.

I remember walking back to the house, cutting through the thick woods and waters, with the spanish moss, cypress and spindly oak trees marking my way.

I remember momma and maw maw sitting on the porch, with the front door open, so they could hear days of our lives (before hope was buried alive the first time), momma snapping fresh peas, maw maw chopping fresh okra. Every time I saw momma with those beans I thought about paw paw making my daddy pick a sack (that maw maw had sewn) as long as he was tall (he is 6'4) of peas, and if he didn't finish by night fall, momma had to go to bed anyway.

I remember picking those peas, my back wanting to break and paw paw giving me a damned quarter for those peas (remember the time we put our quarter together and bought nothing?!). I remember smelling gumbo cooking from down the road, I remember daddy blasting skynyrd outta the radio, and paw paw spittin' his chew.

My kids will have these same memories.

This is way off topic of seasteading, but, Intuition, I felt you would like it. :)
 
What is "the un lost agreement" exactly? Honestly, I am clueless.

Law Of the Sea Treaty.

Basically, ceding all ocean areas, both above and below the sea floor, to UN control.

"Seasteading", as envisioned, would be prohibited, or come under direct UN regulation, under a number of provisions of the treaty.

Once the U. S. became a party to the treaty, any number of issues could be adjudicated by a LOST tribunal. It is not clear what the limits are on the issues that could be taken up by LOST. Jurisdiction over anything that affects the oceans directly or indirectly could be asserted. The majority of members of the tribunal adjudicating any particular issue are almost certainly going to be hostile to U. S. interests. Tribunal decisions cannot be appealed. Unlike every other country in the world, those decisions could be enforced in U. S. federal courts against the federal government
 
Can you explain why? The freedom of the high seas still exists in the Law of the Sea Treaty from the way I read it.

As it stands right now, you could not "class" any sort of seasteading vessel or fixed platform, without coming under some form of UN/IMO control.

LOST would enhance that.
 
The UN LOST agreement makes all this an elaborate pipe dream.



As it stands right now, you could not "class" any sort of seasteading vessel or fixed platform, without coming under some form of UN/IMO control.

LOST would enhance that.

So this treaty is not yet passed, is that correct?

I feel that we should review ALL of our treaties, and sign no further ones. I feel that we need to take an honest inventory of our friends. I am not personally feeling aligned with many of the people/countries/entities/organizations to which the United States government sends taxpayer money. Ditto regarding feeling answerable to any of these people/countries/entities/organizations. I'm feelin' kinda USED -- like a lot of these "alliances" are abusive relationships. GET OUT OF IT is always sound advice when it comes to abusive relationships.

What say you?
 
This thread is not so long, that it can't be read in its entirety...IF you are a person who has genuinely HAD IT UP TO HERE.

Lotsa folks are saying ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, but they're pluggin' away in compliance of TERMS OF SERVICE.

Some people are saying THIS IS WHERE I GET OFF, and doing it.

LIFE IS SHORT AND THE WORLD IS BIG.

That is what I said when I got started with this-whatever-this-is. I don't fly anymore. I USED to fly. I EXPECTED to be traveling the world at this stage of my life. ADAPT, OR DON'T. Them's the terms.

REFUSENIK, right here.

Non serviam.

LIFE IS SHORT AND THE (NOT VERY) UNITED STATES IS BIG.

The world will have to be experienced via gizmos. I don't make the rules. I'm just bobbing and weaving AROUND them.
 
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Several years back, a cruise ship converted to FLOATING CONDOMINIUMS, once around the world per year. It might get old, especially the NEIGHBORS, but I could tough it out for awhile.

It occurs to me, I might should have clarified that I have a TERRA FIRMA concept in mind. Not that I couldn't be persuaded or compelled out to sea, but it's nothing I could arrange.

Not-one-but-two Prepared People have bestowed a nod of approval on my choices-to-date (SURE, they weren't around for the COMEDY OF ERRORS), but this is as far as I can take it alone. Take WHAT? Let's see...what is innocuous enough for Authorities but interesting enough for Folks? Hmmm...STARTING OVER?

Is that not usually at bedrock with Intentional Communities, including American Settlers?

SOMEONE will be elected in November . . . and THEN what? Some people will start on THE NEXT ELECTION(S) & THE NEXT CANDIDATE(S). Some people will be DONE with politics, I think.
 
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Seasteading is the culmination of the of libertarian thought. It is a physical representation of achieving a free society without political involvement. Getting an An-Cap seastead out onto the ocean should be the ideal goal of libertarians, Voluntaryists, and free state project members alike.

It's finally a practical way out, without having to try to compete with statists for political control. We can let them have their violent socialist society and we could have our society, living away from statists and watch as those who believe in violence destroy their own world. The statist will watch us thrive while they live in the depraved system they created.

Go to www.seasteading.org to learn about Seasteads, their ideas and how they plan to achieve this incredible goal. I encourage everyone to support the Seasteading movement, and consider donating to help fund this incredible venture.
 
Seasteading is the culmination of the of libertarian thought.

If yer a sea-farin' sort.



It is a physical representation of achieving a free society without political involvement.

If yer an AnCap sea-farin' sort.



Getting an An-Cap seastead out onto the ocean should be the ideal goal of libertarians, Voluntaryists, and free state project members alike.

SHOULD goes with Libertarian, Voluntary and Free like PRISON goes with Free Choice, Victimless Crime and Democracy.



It's finally a practical way out, without having to try to compete with statists for political control. We can let them have their violent socialist society and we could have our society, living away from statists and watch as those who believe in violence destroy their own world. The statist will watch us thrive while they live in the depraved system they created.

Even IF Control Freaks who persecute Home Gardeners and Neighborhood Barterers would somehow NOT be threatened by this utopian water-bound self-sufficiency, I would still draw attention to the distinction between A WAY OUT and FREEDOM.

Don't get me wrong, depending the terms, I'll take a way out over incarceration. But MANAGING TO ESCAPE is not the same thing as ACHIEVING LIBERTY, in the GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH paradigm.

(In the WRONGFUL INCARCERATION paradigm, managing to escape DOES pass for Liberty.)
 
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Ouch, lol. Semantics are horrible. I guess what I was trying to articulate is that it is the most practical and achievable goal at the moment. I mean using politics just forces those who want to live in a socialist state to live in a libertarian one. As far as 'should' just like those who want the best possible president should vote for Ron Paul, those who want to try out a libertarian society should try out seasteading. As far as a way out, it's a way out in the same way that starting a new society was an escape from great Britain.
 
Ouch, lol.

Yer a Good Sport.



Semantics are horrible.

PEOPLE are horrible. Language is inadequate to keeping them from resorting to the universal sign language of FORCE.



I guess what I was trying to articulate is that it is the most practical and achievable goal at the moment. I mean using politics just forces those who want to live in a socialist state to live in a libertarian one. As far as 'should' just like those who want the best possible president should vote for Ron Paul, those who want to try out a libertarian society should try out seasteading.

COULD.

Seasteading SHOULD LOGICALLY be one of several SIMULTANEOUS ENDEAVORS.

The Powers that, in fact, BE exercising more and more and more control (I mean, this is SO not fun) are unleashing their schemes FAST AND FURIOUS. Think, WHACK A MOLE. The People, by contrast, "work within the system" . . . requesting permits, waiting for permission, following rules . . . trying things one by one, which are EASILY smacked down by Greater Force with the Official stamp of approval.

Quite a different STORY=MEDIA if the government(s) of the LAND OF THE FREE start forcibly "taking out" NUMEROUS enclaves of Conscientious Objectors. Another and another and another? NIET! YOU CANNOT BE FREE! OUR GUNS ARE BIGGER THAN YOUR GUNS! WE WILL ROUT YOU WITH OUR SUPERIOR FIRE POWER, AND WE WILL THROW YOUR ASSES IN PRISON AFTER STRIP-SEARCHING THEM!

No indeed, that would NOT play well on the evening news.

Even Soft Suburbanites would take notice. Wai-- Wha--? We VACATIONED there last summer! We go HIKING there! What the HELL?!

First, you've gotta get MAD.

As for PRACTICALITY . . . #EddieIzzard: "I'm willing to learn." . . . it seems like Seasteading would have a pretty hefty upfront capital outlay. NOT to discourage it, on the contrary . . . but Seasteading seems also like it might be fraught with GREATER RISKS, and might therefore be less suitable for NON MACGYVER SLASH ROAD WARRIOR types.



As far as a way out, it's a way out in the same way that starting a new society was an escape from great Britain.

Yes, yes, yes . . . some people, a different Few, must "simply" take the chance.
 
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