SCOTUS legalizes Gay Marriage - 10th Amendment Obliterated

[Ronin Truth]

In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock.
Thomas Jefferson

 

[AngryCanadian]

This thread and forum just goes to show that the Liberty Movement is dead before it got rolling. Gay marriage should be legal nation wide. You can argue about the Supreme Court and states rights all you want but what should truly matter to those standing for liberty is equal rights regardless of race, gender or sexuality. The lamenting in this thread is pathetic. The vast majority of America supports the right of gays to marry. If the so called liberty movement wants to go in the other (and incorrect) way so be it. The echoes of a dead movement will be but a minor footnote in 21st century politics :-(

So now 5% of the population represent the whole majority of America while in the 90s this issue was widely ignored and no one give a crap?

 

[Ronin Truth]

So now 5% of the population represent the whole majority of America while in the 90s this issue was widely ignored and no one give a crap?

Just goes to show, yet once again, the power of distraction and diversion by the Federal Government to mesmerize and brainwash most of the Amerikan sheeple.

Problem --> Reaction --> Solution. ( lather, rinse, repeat )

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

This thread and forum just goes to show that the Liberty Movement is dead before it got rolling. Gay marriage should be legal nation wide. You can argue about the Supreme Court and states rights all you want but what should truly matter to those standing for liberty is equal rights regardless of race, gender or sexuality. The lamenting in this thread is pathetic. The vast majority of America supports the right of gays to marry. If the so called liberty movement wants to go in the other (and incorrect) way so be it. The echoes of a dead movement will be but a minor footnote in 21st century politics :-(

I can't find anything in the Constitution or any of its amendments that requires all lifestyles to be treated equally.

 

[charrob]

I can't find anything in the Constitution or any of its amendments that requires all lifestyles to be treated equally.

My position is that government should not be in the business of issuing marriage licenses.

That said, my understanding from the little i've read on this issue, is that the majority ruling opinion is that the 14th amendment's equal protection clause was used to state that States are not allowed to discriminate in their issuing of marriage licenses. Which makes sense to me. I'd rather they don't issue any licenses, but if they do, they should issue those licenses without discrimination.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Sorry but that is so ridiculously not true. Government has been in the marriage business for millennia. Anyone who says differently is woefully ignorant of history. But I agree government has no place in a religious ceremony, but to claim it is a recent phenomena is incorrect.

A person who jams two ad hominem attacks in the first two sentences, is an opinion that isn't worth the time of day. It takes all of two seconds for you to pull up articles from google on the history. Less time then the tantrum you threw here.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Same sex marriage has been a bogus BS totally government made up non-issue from the very beginning. At best, it involves and concerns only a very minuscule percentage of the population.

It's sole purpose is just the latest round of a very long line of divide and conquer, power and control, divert and distract tactics designed just to keep the sheeple stirred up and fighting amongst themselves over absolutely nothing.

This same old type of crap has been going on for millenia now. Why? Because it just continues to work so well.

Problem --> Reaction --> Solution. ( lather, rinse, repeat )

 

[PaulConventionWV]

This thread and forum just goes to show that the Liberty Movement is dead before it got rolling. Gay marriage should be legal nation wide. You can argue about the Supreme Court and states rights all you want but what should truly matter to those standing for liberty is equal rights regardless of race, gender or sexuality. The lamenting in this thread is pathetic. The vast majority of America supports the right of gays to marry. If the so called liberty movement wants to go in the other (and incorrect) way so be it. The echoes of a dead movement will be but a minor footnote in 21st century politics :-(

You don't even know...

I try to tell you people, but there's always someone who proves I have been ineffective in educating the masses that populate this forum.

Gays have ALWAYS been able to get married. Their right to marry has never been abridged in any way, shape, or form by the US government. The only thing they don't have access to is a marriage license, and you do NOT have a right to a license from the government for anything. If you want equality, fine, but do it by getting the government out of it, not by advocating for the "right" to a government license. It's not and has never been a rights issue. This is not about rights at all. It's a great lie that needs to be reversed, but people like you just prove that even liberty-minded folk can be taken in by the onerous language used to conflate marriage with licensed togetherness.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Same sex marriage has been a bogus BS totally government made up non-issue from the very beginning. At best, it involves and concerns only a very minuscule percentage of the population.

It's sole purpose is just the latest round of a very long line of divide and conquer, power and control, divert and distract tactics designed just to keep the sheeple stirred up and fighting amongst themselves over absolutely nothing.

This same old type of crap has been going on for millenia now. Why? Because it just continues to work so well.

Problem --> Reaction --> Solution. ( lather, rinse, repeat )

Wow, something I agree with R_T on.

 

[fr33]

So now 5% of the population represent the whole majority of America while in the 90s this issue was widely ignored and no one give a crap?

It should be continued to be ignored. Ignore what consenting adults call their relationship. That's what I do.

 

[RonPaulIsGreat]

Now they are coming for your bathrooms!

 

[Danke]

Now they are coming for your bathrooms!

Wow, that is terrible, I'm starting to have more sympathy towards HB's plight.

 

[PRB]

Now they are coming for your bathrooms!

peaking over a stall is "doing nothing to you"!!

Because no property was violated, no monetary value was lost, not force was initiated or exerted, and no measureable harm was done.

Cheers to the brave Macy's store employees and security for upholding the libertarian NAP axiom. No harm = no victim = no crime.

You have no right to privacy : If you disagree with me, take it up with Ron Paul. With the SCOTUS ruling that sodomy and privacy are 14th Amendment rights, it's actually surprising it took 12 years to force gay marriage on Americans.

Consider the Lawrence case decided by the Supreme Court in June. The Court determined that Texas had no right to establish its own standards for private sexual conduct, because gay sodomy is somehow protected under the 14th amendment “right to privacy.” Ridiculous as sodomy laws may be, there clearly is no right to privacy nor sodomy found anywhere in the Constitution. There are, however, states’ rights — rights plainly affirmed in the Ninth and Tenth amendments. Under those amendments, the State of Texas has the right to decide for itself how to regulate social matters like sex, using its own local standards. But rather than applying the real Constitution and declining jurisdiction over a properly state matter, the Court decided to apply the imaginary Constitution and impose its vision on the people of Texas.

 

[PRB]

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[PaulConventionWV]

peaking over a stall is "doing nothing to you"!!

Because no property was violated, no monetary value was lost, not force was initiated or exerted, and no measureable harm was done.

Cheers to the brave Macy's store employees and security for upholding the libertarian NAP axiom. No harm = no victim = no crime.

You have no right to privacy : If you disagree with me, take it up with Ron Paul. With the SCOTUS ruling that sodomy and privacy are 14th Amendment rights, it's actually surprising it took 12 years to force gay marriage on Americans.

Consider the Lawrence case decided by the Supreme Court in June. The Court determined that Texas had no right to establish its own standards for private sexual conduct, because gay sodomy is somehow protected under the 14th amendment “right to privacy.” Ridiculous as sodomy laws may be, there clearly is no right to privacy nor sodomy found anywhere in the Constitution. There are, however, states’ rights — rights plainly affirmed in the Ninth and Tenth amendments. Under those amendments, the State of Texas has the right to decide for itself how to regulate social matters like sex, using its own local standards. But rather than applying the real Constitution and declining jurisdiction over a properly state matter, the Court decided to apply the imaginary Constitution and impose its vision on the people of Texas.

But the store owner can sure as hell kick you off his property if he doesn't like your bathroom conduct.

 

[PRB]

But the store owner can sure as hell kick you off his property if he doesn't like your bathroom conduct.

yep. He can. He can also not provide you bathrooms at all, sadly, the government forced him to provide it (or at least made rules that say if you have one, you must do this and this and this, or not have one at all)

 

[Madison320]

Like what special privileges? I don't think that the employment thing you're eluding too is that "special", since If businesses started ending employment for straight marriage, they would probably face the same consequences that they would face if they ended it for gay marriage.

In the real world it's much easier to fire a straight, white guy than a gay person.

 

[kahless]

Now they are coming for your bathrooms!

Macy's has it coming after dumping Trump and outright lying about his positions. It would sure serve Macy's right for the movement they are going over the top to support to be the one that crushes them.

 

[PRB]

In the real world it's much easier to fire a straight, white guy than a gay person.

yes, because he can't cry discrimination.

 

[wizardwatson]

Apparently, some disobedient slave named something something Cuomo, thinks the state's have rights:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...-trump-tries-reopen-new-york-then-we-n1183341

WASHINGTON — New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo warned Tuesday that President Donald Trump should not try to reopen the state against his wishes, saying it would create "a constitutional crisis like you haven't seen in decades" and could result in a dramatic increase in coronavirus cases.

"The only ways this situation gets worse is if the president creates a constitutional crisis," Cuomo said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."

...

“We don't have a king — we have a president, and that was a big decision," Cuomo said. "We ran away from having a king, and George Washington was president, not King Washington so the president doesn't have total authority. The Constitution is there, the 10th Amendment is there. ... It's very clear states have power by the 10th amendment.”

I see, now we have a constitutional crisis, because we don't like the thug who wants to crap on it.

I'm surprised the word 'constitution' even escaped a governors mouth in such a direct way.

But, no. 10th amendment, in practice, has been shown to be not a thing.

Try to keep up, Andy, it's later than you think.