SCOTUS legalizes Gay Marriage - 10th Amendment Obliterated

[Christian Liberty]

I like Justin Amash in many areas, but can anyone see his contradiction in that post?

Yeah. I'm disappointed. And about ready to give up on politics

I mean, when even our best people are supporting filth like sodomite "marriage", blech...

 

[GunnyFreedom]

You win the Non Sequitur of the Year Award.

Look, the 14th Amendment puts limits on what States can do. In case you didn't know, it also explicitly gives Congress the power to enforce its provisions. And the Supreme Court's power of judicial review goes back to 1803. So the "massive federal power grab" you complain about has been around for a very long time.

Personally I find that the direct abuse of police authority arises directly from the government's claim to powers not delegated in the Constitution. You can claim that police abuse does not follow from government power grabs and overreaching, but that just demonstrates that you have no clue what you are talking about. It should be obvious that police abuses arise from government overreach.

Your earlier false accusation of my racial bigotry also demonstrates that your emotional investment in this issue is not founded in reason or logic, but in a desire to enforce your own will upon others around you by whatever means are at hand, including sending up false accusations of support for racial segregation in an attempt to muddy the issue and cloud the actual arguments at hand.

Government guns are not okay, even when they are used to give me what I want. Anybody who thinks that the use of government guns are just fine as long as they are giving them what they want, is not in any way shape or form a libertarian, but a tyrant of opportunity...opposing state power when it requires the unwanted, but supporting state power when it requires the wanted.

Your position is not logically consistent, and your overt emotionalism betrays your embrace of that inconsistency.

 

[LibForestPaul]

I never knew gay marriage was ever illegal to begin with. What they actually want are gay marriage licenses and to force people to marry them even if they don't agree with their lifestyle. Yay freedom

And they wont to be forced to be recognized by the myriad of state laws that control individuals: auto-insurance, beneficiaries, inheritance, health-care proxies, income taxes, spousal court privileges, etc...

 

[Terry1]

I could care less about the issue of gay marriage, what concerns me is the corruption over-riding the people's votes. Those who support or do not support gay marriage should be more concerned about our freedoms and not judging based upon their personal convictions of what's good or bad. Freedom and justice via our constitutional rights are what's at stake here.

It all started here in Massachusetts with the governor saying these words "because it's the right thing to do"--irrespective of the people's vote. This is corruption at it's worst when politicians begin thinking that they know what's best for the people ignoring their vote. Obama said those very same words being cahoots with Deval Patrick. Very scary--

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I never realized how many religious nut jobs post here / follow Rand. Holy shit!

Well. That kind of thinking is sure to help in the Iowa Caucuses.

 

[Terry1]

This is going to get interesting here in the Bible belt.......

I think if more Christians were constitutionally minded rather than religiously minded they wouldn't be making the entire body of Christ look like nut jobs. What many of them don't realize is that our freedom to live and worship the way we please is constitutionally what gives them the right to oppose anything they don't agree with. If Christians want their freedom, then they must acknowledge that same right and freedom of everyone else who chooses opposite their beliefs.

 

[Ronin Truth]

I think if more Christians were constitutionally minded rather than religiously minded they wouldn't be making the entire body of Christ look like nut jobs. What many of them don't realize is that our freedom to live and worship the way we please is constitutionally what gives them the right to oppose anything they don't agree with. If Christians want their freedom, then they must acknowledge that same right and freedom of everyone else who chooses opposite their beliefs.

And those very same "Christians" may just want to also remember that the BIBLE says that Satan rules and controls ALL human governments.

 

[Ender]

I think if more Christians were constitutionally minded rather than religiously minded they wouldn't be making the entire body of Christ look like nut jobs. What many of them don't realize is that our freedom to live and worship the way we please is constitutionally what gives them the right to oppose anything they don't agree with. If Christians want their freedom, then they must acknowledge that same right and freedom of everyone else who chooses opposite their beliefs.

Thank you!

The real issue, that many are overlooking, is that the gov should never have been involved in marriage in the first place. Consenting adults should have the right to marry whomever they please w/o a license. Licenses were always for what would be otherwise illegal.

At the same time, religions should have the right to believe as they believe. Leave the hate out of it- on both sides- and live your lives as you see fit.

THIS should be the primary goal for all people.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

So is the U.S. Govt having affirmative action favoring certain race and gender. But I guess that is cool with you cos that is just the exact same thing as me choosing between greatvalue and charmin toilet paper.

Discrimination is not cool when the govt is doing it.

So long as people have to go begging governments for permission to marry, there will be discrimination. It is inevitable and axiomatic. The ONLY solution is to ban the licensure of marriage altogether.

 

[Ender]

So long as people have to go begging governments for permission to marry, there will be discrimination. It is inevitable and axiomatic. The ONLY solution is to ban the licensure of marriage altogether.

AMEN.

 

[Terry1]

Thank you!

The real issue, that many are overlooking, is that the gov should never have been involved in marriage in the first place. Consenting adults should have the right to marry whomever they please w/o a license. Licenses were always for what would be otherwise illegal.

At the same time, religions should have the right to believe as they believe. Leave the hate out of it- on both sides- and live your lives as you see fit.

THIS should be the primary goal for all people.

Agree with you completely.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Thank you!

The real issue, that many are overlooking, is that the gov should never have been involved in marriage in the first place. Consenting adults should have the right to marry whomever they please w/o a license. Licenses were always for what would be otherwise illegal.

At the same time, religions should have the right to believe as they believe. Leave the hate out of it- on both sides- and live your lives as you see fit.

THIS should be the primary goal for all people.

Out of rep ammo...

 

[kahless]

The White House was lit in rainbow colors to celebrate the decision Friday night

What a slap in the face to traditional Christians. I do not see how they expect to hold the country together when they have been effectively as of late running around spraying gasoline while holding a match.

 

[Terry1]

And those very same "Christians" may just want to also remember that the BIBLE says that Satan rules and controls ALL human governments.

Christians still have to share this world with unbelievers and if Christians want constitutional rights to worship as they please--then they must also respect those same rights of others who do not share their beliefs.

If the people vote against something---then let that be the last word being the freedom of the people to decide their own fate. If they vote for something, then let that be the last word on it. If we deny someone's freedom to live and believe as they please because it doesn't agree with our belief or religion--tyranny ensues. Then we just the same can be held hostage to someone else's beliefs and religions just the same. To deny freedom of anything is a very slippery slope.

 

[kahless]

Thank you!

The real issue, that many are overlooking, is that the gov should never have been involved in marriage in the first place. Consenting adults should have the right to marry whomever they please w/o a license. Licenses were always for what would be otherwise illegal.

At the same time, religions should have the right to believe as they believe. Leave the hate out of it- on both sides- and live your lives as you see fit.

THIS should be the primary goal for all people.

That is the most logical solution but is completely unacceptable to the Progressives since their goal is for everyone to worship at the altar of their statist religion. It is their version of thou shalt have no other gods before me.

 

[Ronin Truth]

What a slap in the face to traditional Christians. I do not see how they expect to hold the country together when they have been effectively as of late running around spraying gasoline while holding a match.

I'm figuring that's just a color test run for the Hillary LGBT rainbow house.

 

[twomp]

LOL!!!!! Is this what the media has boobus arguing over this week? What happened to the South Carolina flag and how it was going to bring the apocalypse if it was taken down from a State building? I guess this is what will bring about the apocalypse now! Until next week that is.....

 

[Sonny Tufts]

You can claim that police abuse does not follow from government power grabs and overreaching

Except I claim no such thing.

Your earlier false accusation of my racial bigotry

Except I claimed no such thing. My point was that your hysterical predictions of "federal hate speech laws requiring the States to punish people for unpopular opinions, and the advent of true thoughtcrime laws" is just as hysterically silly as the predictions of the segregationists. In no way did I suggest you shared their views regarding race.

As long as the Court is willing to protect the loathsome speech of cretins like the members of the Westboro Baptist Church (see Snyder v. Phelps, 562 U.S. ___ (2011)), you have little to worry about the institution of thought crime laws.

 

[TheCount]

Aaaaand if I vehemently oppose giving any government a power to use against my neighbor, even when the outcome of said power might even be something I like?

Then you're not a statist or hypocrite, unlike many in this thread who desire to have the government enforce their beliefs upon others.

 

[TheCount]

Gay marriage doesn't affect us. Licensure does.

The only negative effect a gay marriage license might have on you is a papercut.