SCHWEPPE: Sorry, Justin Amash — Libertarianism Is Canceled

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SCHWEPPE: Sorry, Justin Amash — Libertarianism Is Canceled

This op-ed looks like it was written by a member of RPF's new anti-libertarian majority.

Michigan Rep. Justin Amash, the Republican-turned-independent who is often identified as the most libertarian member of Congress, has a problem with conservatism. In a Twitter message critical of the first National Conservatism Conference, Amash said, “‘national conservatism’ is just collectivism rebranded for the right.”


Justin Amash

@justinamash
“National conservatism” is just collectivism rebranded for the right. It’s a form of socialism built upon fear of the new and different. https://twitter.com/reason/status/1151886029894426629

reason

@reason
With the rise of #NationalConservatism, the right now cares more about "good outcomes" than individual liberty.
https://reason.com/2019/07/18/the-n...alism-is-about-subverting-individual-liberty/

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Amash’s sharp critique wasn’t surprising given the content of the conference, where hundreds of attendees issued a clarion call to the Republican Party and the conservative movement: It’s time to declare independence from libertarianism.

For years, out-of-touch libertarian-minded elitists like Amash who have urged conservatives to abandon social issues, prioritize the profit margins of corporations, and effectively ignore the needs of families and the working class have dominated the conservative movement. Conservatives believed they were our best and brightest, so we gave them the keys to America’s future and let them drive. We empowered them to write our policies and craft our rhetoric. We trusted them when they told us rubes that only they knew how to win.

But instead of winning, they positioned us in a total defensive crouch against the onslaught of progressivism, allowing the Left to run rampant in their frightening effort to turn America into Venezuela (if we’re being charitable) or even Mao’s China (if we’re being honest).

Now, the same libertarian-minded elitists, when confronted with their failures to defend even the highest of ground, assure conservatives that everything will work out fine if we just stick to an orthodoxy — presumably dictated to us from on high by St. Charles Koch himself, along with his pontifical prelates George Will and David French — that has proven to be completely ineffective or even harmful in practice.

They again demand that we trust them — this time with a nastier tone — while we watch them nod off at the wheel and drive our movement head-first into oncoming traffic.

Thanks, but no thanks. We’re taking the keys back.

At the conference last week, attendees wrestled with a number of basic questions. What should a “national conservatism” look like? What role is there for a limited government to play in addressing societal ills? How do we solve problems like broken families, falling marriage and birth rates, more than 400,000 opioid deaths in the heart of Middle America, decaying communities, a humanitarian crisis on our border, intergenerational poverty, the degradation of childhood innocence, and our cultural descent into libertinism?

Obviously these are difficult questions. But our movement’s answers in the past have been guided by what Mary Eberstadt brilliantly calls the “libertarian creed of ‘so what?’” This has resulted in out-of-touch solutions that are absurd to the point of being almost cartoonish:


Fewer people having children? Let’s bring in more immigrants! Ridiculously easy for your child to access online pornography? Be a better parent! Lost your job of 35 years when the factory left your small town and moved to Mexico? Move to a big city and learn to code!

Ultimately, the conservative movement’s “libertarian moment” didn’t fail because of poorly executed strategy. It failed because libertarianism isn’t conservative. It failed because it obsesses over utopian ideals and the atomized individual, rather than reality and community. It failed because it championed meaningless economic metrics while totally ignoring the plight of large swaths of Americans.

In truth, libertarianism isn’t very far off from progressivism — both are supposedly meritocratic orthodoxies that result in the submission of an underclass to the rule of privileged elites. The two ideologies are fellow travelers. And conservatism should have nothing to do with either.

Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) summed up many conservatives’ concerns with libertarianism in a speech at the conference:

All of this — the economic globalizing, the social liberationism, has worked out quite well for some — for the cosmopolitan class. It has not served the people whose labor sustains this nation. It has not helped the citizens whose sacrifices protect our republic. It has not benefited the great “American Middle,” because the truth is the cosmopolitan economy has made the cosmopolitan class an aristocracy.

In the months ahead, there will be an intramural debate — but really an ideological struggle — to determine who will control the future of the conservative movement. Will it be obtusely rigid ideologues like Justin Amash? Or will it be pragmatic statesmen like Josh Hawley? Ultimately, conservatism must be focused on addressing the problems that real workers and real families face — like the single mother of two making $10 an hour working two different jobs who can’t afford to pay her kid’s medical bills, or the middle-aged, blue-collar worker who just lost his job a few years away from retirement and now has no immediate job prospects, or the small business owner worried about keeping his store open when a Big Box Store moves in next door.

A conservatism that ignores workers and families — and essentially responds to their concerns with a callous “so what?” in pursuit of ideological purity — will continue to fail both in practice and at the ballot box. Only a worker-first, family-first version of conservatism can succeed.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/07/22/...texYaB-sLHRZvjAq3cPwF9_sb-dIRlgNqnTkqP9Z4-s9o
 
I don't think the RPF's has a new anti-libertarian majority, but rather a majority that agrees with Massie and Paul instead of Amash.

I don't think that you are a very good judge of what it means to be a libertarian given your statements. What were you doing in regards to libertarianism back in 2007-2008?
 
I guess Libertarian means Open Border Globalists>?
Well thank God its not yet a 'Majority' .

Ron Paul's immigration positions used to be in the majority here. It's only since 2016 that that has changed. Most of us would not consider "open borders globalist" a fair characterization without a chance to qualify how the kind of globalism and open immigration policies Ron Paul supports are very different from the statist alternatives that are often called by those labels.
 
I don't think the RPF's has a new anti-libertarian majority, but rather a majority that agrees with Massie and Paul instead of Amash.

Did you read the OP? Do you feel that that author merely thinks Rand and Massie are better libertarians than Amash?
 
For years, out-of-touch libertarian-minded elitists like Amash [...] have dominated the conservative movement. Conservatives believed they were our best and brightest, so we gave them the keys to America’s future and let them drive. We empowered them to write our policies and craft our rhetoric. We trusted them when they told us rubes that only they knew how to win.

I stopped reading after this. Strong disapproval of Amash's positions/statements is one thing, but this is just obnoxiously asinine bullshit.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Did you read the OP? Do you feel that that author merely thinks Rand and Massie are better libertarians than Amash?

I did read the article and I find it to be a stupid misrepresentation of libertarianism. I don't think he has a very good grasp of what being libertarian really means.

Considering that you believe the majority of RPF members are anti-libertarian, I am seriously questioning how you define what it mean to be libertarian as well. You come off much more like a butt hurt never-Trumper than a libertarian.
 
I did read the article and I find it to be a stupid misrepresentation of libertarianism. I don't think he has a very good grasp of what being libertarian really means.

I'm pleasantly surprised. As I thought through what handle Schweppe probably used here, I can't deny that yours crossed my mind.
 
I'm pleasantly surprised. As I thought through what handle Schweppe probably used here, I can't deny that yours crossed my mind.

When I see liberals bitching and whining on the Huffington Post it always reminds me of you. Maybe it was that crappy liberal college in MI that twisted your brain.
 
The American Principles Project (APP), which has been advocating against APUSH since at least the Jefferson County protests, was founded in 2009 by Princeton University professor and Catholic neoconservative Robert P. George...

An article written by a Catholic neoconservative organization...nice. It conflates libertarianism with conservatism, and ignores issues like foreign policy because they are neoconservative.

Religious social conservatives being manipulated by neoconservatives. It’s the same old story.

And the National Conservatism Conference has already been dissected:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?537105-The-Strange-Death-of-Conservatism
 
I did read the article and I find it to be a stupid misrepresentation of libertarianism. I don't think he has a very good grasp of what being libertarian really means.

Considering that you believe the majority of RPF members are anti-libertarian, I am seriously questioning how you define what it mean to be libertarian as well. You come off much more like a butt hurt never-Trumper than a libertarian.

Written by neocons. Intentionally confused and confusing. Pure sophistry.
 
Jeffrey Bell is a longtime social conservative activist and contributor to neoconservative outlets like the Weekly Standard. Bell has worked for a number of right-wing pressure groups and is the former president of the Manhattan Institute. Among the groups he has been associated with are the Project for the New American Century, the American Conservative Union, the Ethics and Public Policy Center, the Foundation for Community and Faith-Centered Enterprise (FCFE), and the Council for National Policy. Bell has twice run for the U.S. Senate, in 1978 and 1982 (he lost both times). He worked as a campaign aide to Presidents Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon.[1]

As of mid-2010, Bell was the policy director at the American Principles Project (APP)...

https://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/jeffrey-bell/
 
For years, out-of-touch libertarian-minded elitists

Populist?

check

like Amash who have urged conservatives to abandon social issues

Obsessed with culture?

doublecheck

prioritize the profit margins of corporations

Anti-capitalist?

checkitycheckcheck

Conservatives believed they were our best and brightest, so we gave them the keys to America’s future and let them drive. We empowered them to write our policies and craft our rhetoric. We trusted them when they told us rubes that only they knew how to win.

But instead of winning, they positioned us in a total defensive crouch against the onslaught of progressivism, allowing the Left to run rampant in their frightening effort to turn America into Venezuela (if we’re being charitable) or even Mao’s China (if we’re being honest).

Now, the same libertarian-minded elitists, when confronted with their failures to defend even the highest of ground, assure conservatives that everything will work out fine if we just stick to an orthodoxy — presumably dictated to us from on high by St. Charles Koch himself, along with his pontifical prelates George Will and David French — that has proven to be completely ineffective or even harmful in practice.

They again demand that we trust them — this time with a nastier tone — while we watch them nod off at the wheel and drive our movement head-first into oncoming traffic.

Thanks, but no thanks. We’re taking the keys back.

Delusionally assigning blame for their own political failures to the tiny/reviled/impotent/largely-dead libertarian faction of the party?

You bet.

libertarianism isn’t conservative

On that, ethno-leftist dunderheads, we can certainly agree.

It failed because it obsesses over utopian ideals and the atomized individual, rather than reality and community. It failed because it championed meaningless economic metrics while totally ignoring the plight of large swaths of Americans.

In truth, libertarianism isn’t very far off from progressivism — both are supposedly meritocratic orthodoxies that result in the submission of an underclass to the rule of privileged elites. The two ideologies are fellow travelers. And conservatism should have nothing to do with either.

Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) summed up many conservatives’ concerns with libertarianism in a speech at the conference:

All of this — the economic globalizing, the social liberationism, has worked out quite well for some — for the cosmopolitan class. It has not served the people whose labor sustains this nation. It has not helped the citizens whose sacrifices protect our republic. It has not benefited the great “American Middle,” because the truth is the cosmopolitan economy has made the cosmopolitan class an aristocracy.

In the months ahead, there will be an intramural debate — but really an ideological struggle — to determine who will control the future of the conservative movement. Will it be obtusely rigid ideologues like Justin Amash? Or will it be pragmatic statesmen like Josh Hawley? Ultimately, conservatism must be focused on addressing the problems that real workers and real families face — like the single mother of two making $10 an hour working two different jobs who can’t afford to pay her kid’s medical bills, or the middle-aged, blue-collar worker who just lost his job a few years away from retirement and now has no immediate job prospects, or the small business owner worried about keeping his store open when a Big Box Store moves in next door.

A conservatism that ignores workers and families — and essentially responds to their concerns with a callous “so what?” in pursuit of ideological purity — will continue to fail both in practice and at the ballot box. Only a worker-first, family-first version of conservatism can succeed.

Need to rebrand too...

National Socialist American Worker's Party has a certain ring to it.
 
I think a better critique of some libertarians comes from Jeff Deist.



Deist either isn't very clever (doesn't understand libertarianism, or ethics generally), or is too clever (trying to pander to the new nationalists).

(text version)

My final point is about the stubborn tendency of libertarians to advocate some of sort of universal political arrangement.To the extent there is political end for libertarians, it is allowing individuals to live as they see fit. The political goal is self-determination, by seeking to reduce the size, scope, and power of the state. But the idea of universal libertarian principles became mixed up with the idea of universal libertarian politics. Live and let live was replaced with the notion of universal libertarian doctrine, often coupled with a cultural element.

And because of this, libertarians often fall into the trap of sounding like conservatives and progressives who imagine themselves qualified to dictate political arrangements everywhere on earth. But what’s libertarian about telling other countries what to do? Shouldn’t our political goal should be radical self-determination, not universal values?

No, it shouldn't. To believe that aggression is wrong means precisely that you don't want other people to engage in aggression; you want to "tell them what to do" (namely, to not aggress). Alternatively, to "live and let live," as he proposes, would be to endorse aggression. Adopting national self-determination means abandoning libertarianism. Either aggression is wrong, regardless of whether it is politically popular, or not.
 
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Amash just wasted a lot of people's trust in him and libertarian political ideology, shame on him. (((OP))) deserves the same.
 
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