School uniforms!

[heavenlyboy34]

You aren't sovereign. You are a U.S. citizen and have forfeit your rights (perhaps more accurately, your parents forfeit your rights). Be grateful that you are guaranteed ANY "rights" (until the SCOTUS decides they aren't worth saving).

Maybe you're not, but I am.

 

[Kludge]

Maybe you're not, but I am.

Horse shit. If you want to test your sovereignty, quit paying your taxes.

 

[akihabro]

I never found anybodies style or clothing educationally distracting or felt intimidated by anyone or forced to dress a certain way. It was nice looking at girls when they had some skimpy stuff on...but I could pay attention. Hmm maybe I wasn't such a easily influenced bandwagon kid. I'd like to see some studies on this to see if it makes a difference. But I know its like a fashion contest. Seemed like less freedom and doesn't promote individuality. When I left 8th grade they next year was going to have uniforms, we were SO relieved! It actually works to your advantage if students walk into the nearest convient store or whatever and steal. Uhh the shoplifter looked like a hundred other kids in a 1/2 mile radius. Can you make a shirt in your approved school colors and style that says "Give me liberty or give me death!" Haha I want to see how fast they frown on that one.

 

[ChaosControl]

Why go to a public school to begin with?

But anyway, I am in favor of dress codes so I can't help ya.

 

[SimpleName]

Horse shit. If you want to test your sovereignty, quit paying your taxes.

There is no such thing as personal sovereignty when you have a government. Not even sure why the thread broke into that. Oh hell, truth is I wrote this just to note how sad I am that I will no longer be seeing the wonderful mustache perfection of Stossel in Kludge's avatar. I now will have to look elsewhere to reap the benefits of Stossel-stache.

EDIT: *wipes sweat from forehead* Stossel-stache is back. Kludge deserves great thanks

 

[KCIndy]

....I was just a little riled up when I was sent to ISS over the whole belt thing.

I don't blame you a bit. If it had happened to me, I would certainly be angry. It is, in my opinion, a punishment completely disproportionate to the offense. If you had been wearing baggy pants and a profane T-shirt, it would be a different story. But just because you didn't wear a stupid belt?? C'mon...

But, one more question; do students have first amendment rights at school? Or should I just drop that argument all together?

The question of whether students have full rights under the First Amendment while attending school is a pretty murky question to begin with. Beyond that, the question of student rights in the face of a mandatory dress code is even more undefined.

Considering you were not trying to make a political statement by neglecting to wear a belt, you may be on shaky grounds. (Courts are more likely to side with the student if the student is making a "political statement" by wearing or refusing to wear something.)

Here's a link to an essay that covers the topic, from the First Amendment Center:
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org...opic.aspx?topic=clothing_dress_codes_uniforms

The only other thing I can think of, if you wish to push the issue further, is to call the local chapter of the ACLU in whatever state you're in:
http://www.aclu.org/affiliates/index.html


If they tell you you're wasting your time, you're probably better off dropping the whole thing...

Then wait for a couple of months, and mail a dead fish to the idiot teacher who gave you the ISS! (okay, kidding!! Just for the record, I'm KIDDING!!)

 

[smartguy911]

i am in full favor of dress code in schools.

 

[LibForestPaul]

"I am in favor of dress codes."
Why do those who favor a dress code posting their opinion in such a thread?
Why would others be concerned with what you favor?
Why do you need or desire to let others know of you thoughts in this thread?
Why should it matter to those who must obey such a policy of what your opinions are about dress codes in general?

 

[LibForestPaul]

You should talk to your parents (and perhaps your friends parents) about this. Since your parents are acting as a guardian on you behalf.

You should research who put forth a dress code? Who supports such a dress code? Who opposes such a dress code?

You are likely fighting an uphill battle. I believe most parents feel safer when they see a class of students all dressed in uniforms. As though everyone is equal, everything is safe, everybody is part of the same commune. Individuality is not codoned in most schools that I know of.

 

[roho76]

I didn't read all that, but dude...students don't have rights. :|

Everybody has rights.

Like Kludge said "drop out" if you don't like it.

Public schools are for Obama voters. Do yourself a favor and free yourself from the public school system.

 

[M House]

No uniforms for the guys, but hot uniforms for the chicks. Helps with concentration in school.

 

[kpitcher]

Uniforms

I graduated from a catholic school and I can say uniforms aren't bad.

Of course years later you may still have a special place in your heart for plaid skirts

 

[OmegaWolf747]

I'm against uniforms. I know it's never been ruled specifically, but it seems like such an affront to the First Amendment.

 

[cindy25]

uniforms and dress codes have nothing to do with test scores.

I went to high school in the early 70s when dress codes ended. I just looked at my high school yearbooks and the change was amazing; from pants and dresses in our freshman year to jeans and even cut-offs as seniors.

but there was no drop in exam results. our valedictorian was one of the first to wear jeans with patches.

and its not easier for parents. they are just falling for the crap of the uniform makers.

in the end its about control. conditioning people to behave a certain way.

I always thought there was a court ruling, maybe I just assumed there was. as I recall it was conservative parents who were more of a problem than school administrators. I had a friend who changed at our home into her jeans because her parents were such assholes.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Legal issues aside, the subliminal consequence of school uniforms is that it ingrains collectivism in the minds of the students.

we are all alike = we appear professional = professionalism is always good.

That in itself is a load of bull poop, if you ask me. We nearly lost the second amendment over a wishy-washy SCOTUS ruling that didn't do anything to differentiate between collectivist rights vs. individualist rights, and here's yet another chiseling away at the student's concept of personal liberty before they've graduated (or worse, are old enough to vote, with their subconscious learning of collectivist dogma).

I remember back when I was in middle school, there was a big push for school uniforms. The push finally collapsed whenever it was learned that the parents would have to buy the uniforms from a specific supplier (probably due to some back-room contract between the board of education and some vendor, which would have meant no free-market competition and therefore no limits to the prices that could be placed on the uniforms). Bad deals all around, and the voice of the parents was enough to put a stop to the foolishness.

Of course, these days, they'd probably just throw the parents in jail and seize the children, claiming bad parenting forced them to do so.

 

[euphemia]

Pick your battles carefully. Instead of worrying about your fashion statement, you should be demanding academic freedom and excellence.

 

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

The government has a gun to our heads, forcing us to pay for education camps -- I mean "schools," and really crappy schools at that, since most of the time is spent worrying about how much water is left on the planet and explaining divorce to third graders -- and someone's worried that uniforms are violating his civil rights?

Titanic --> Deck Chairs, rearrangement of.

 

[cindy25]

uniforms destroy individuality at a time in life it is most important. it makes the child think the group is more important. and free uniforms (government provided uniforms) takes away another area of parental responsibility.

 

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Get your GED and go to college or else try and arrange to go to a private school.

 

[Kludge]

uniforms destroy individuality at a time in life it is most important. it makes the child think the group is more important. and free uniforms (government provided uniforms) takes away another area of parental responsibility.

Lol. Individuality in this nation with regards to appearance is dyed hair, a pierced naval, and pants below the ass, copied from the last chain ganger and celebrity cocaine addict.

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