Schiff on Iran

[FSP-Rebel]

And his countless media appearances. He risked his reputation for years going on all those shows and being ganged up on. If he was going to sell out on that issue, I think it would have happened by now.

Amen!

 

[MR2Fast2Catch]

Watch this video from April earlier this year. It will give you a sense of Peter's foreign policy views and his opinion on military spending. Skip to 4:30 for the part where Peter starts talking.

"I'm not a big buyer of defense stocks, and I certainly don't think that spending more money on defense in this country is something that's gonna help the economy. Spending money on defense diverts resources that we need for civilian purposes. I'd much rather see investments in consumer manufacturing than in weapons. I'm not saying we don't need to spend on national defense, I'm just saying that spending more money on defense is not gonna help the economy."

YouTube - 4/6/2009 Part 2/2 Peter Schiff On The Kudlow Report: Major Weapons Shake-Up

 

[daSHiZZLE]

@Liberty Star, actually Israel never signed the Nuclear NP Treaty and does not confirm nor deny possessing nuclear weapons. Israel is said to have joint Nuclear programs with the USA, India, Australia and Germany. There is no UN mandate for countries to accede to the treaty so Israel isn't doing anything wrong, and even if they did sign on, but wanted to opt out, under the criteria set forth in Article X, they could leave, so long they give 90 days notice.

Iran is a signatory of the said treaty and denies developing Nuclear Weapons, yet their religious leaders repeatedly contradict this claim in domestic television broadcasts and even their goofy president has slipped up a number of times, here is one. They don't dare make their intentions clear and opt out.

Sure, it's all open to interpretation. Perhaps Iran really does not seek Nuclear Weapons and if anyone were to bomb their facilities to pinpoint precision with good intelligence, it would all be for nothing. Perhaps Hitler wasn't building an Army, Navy, Air Force and artillery units back then when Chamberlain was trying to kiss his ass, even though Germany were breaking the WWI armistice, what if, perhaps... whatever.

 

[cheapseats]

...There is no UN mandate for countries to accede to the treaty so Israel isn't doing anything wrong, and even if they did sign on, but wanted to opt out, under the criteria set forth in Article X, they could leave, so long they give 90 days notice.

For the record, "not violating a treaty" does not necessarily equal "not doing anything wrong."

Iran is a signatory of the said treaty...

What say us, going forward - after Barack Hussein Obama has signed away OUR farm via treaties by which our adversaries are not bound?

Shall we honor them unilaterally?

 

[klamath]

And his countless media appearances. He risked his reputation for years going on all those shows and being ganged up on. If he was going to sell out on that issue, I think it would have happened by now.

What I said still stands. Schiff does not have a voting record of up and down votes where he had to make a decision one way or another.
Years of media apearances mean nothing. We have to take a new politician on trust. Politicians make far greater risks to their reputations when they make black and white campaign promises to the whole nation not just a few financial news shows. Obama made a flat out acusation that Hillary's health care plan had mandated healthcare in it and his did not. The two of them fought a bitter close campaign over it. Guess what Obama's had mandatory health coverage.
I am not attacking Schiff on this but I was pointing out that the guy that brought this up slammed all republicans in general for running as fiscal conservatives but were not when elected. There is a large block of fiscal conservatives that run on it and vote that way however they are smaller than the combined block of big spending republicans and the big spending democrats.

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

Doesn't matter, this election is ALL about economy. The war shit has been swept under the rug, but for Iraq, Afgan, our bases, etc he wants to bring them home. Good enough for me.

 

[Nathan Hale]

Actually Schiff doesn't have a voting record we can look at. We only know what he says in his campaign. And there are a hell of a lot of fiscal conservatives republicans in congress.

He doesn't have a voting record, but we all have a record of his opinion dating back years, and he's been all about fiscal responsibility from the day he got popular enough for his opinion to catch my eye.

 

[Nathan Hale]

What I said still stands. Schiff does not have a voting record of up and down votes where he had to make a decision one way or another.
Years of media apearances mean nothing. We have to take a new politician on trust.

Sure, we have to take him on trust, but to say that years of media appearances mean nothing is fallacy. He's been stating his opinion for over six years, often at the receiving end of a lot of shit. Sure, all we have is trust because he hasn't yet logged a vote, but he has logged his opinion "for the record", this is clearly not just some campaign strategy.

 

[dimaniak]

There is no UN mandate for countries to accede to the treaty so Israel isn't doing anything wrong

Do you know how many times US violated UN rules?

Iran is a signatory of the said treaty

under the criteria set forth in Article X, they could leave, so long they give 90 days notice.

What stops Iran from doing this?

 

[BenjaminRosenzweig]

I think it is time to drop the gerneral slamming of McCain and Palin for their views on foeign policy. It is getting very hypocritical. We may not agree with those views but the "Sheep" shit needs to come to a halt.

I support Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich but neither are "my leader" and I'm not a sheep. I investigate the issues myself. Furthermore, I ascribe to a culturally-contingent theory of economics with an emphasis on the need for greater funding for and transparency within the judicial branch as well as the need for several new law enforcement divisions devoted to investigating corporate crime.

Culturally-Contingent Theory of Economics

Free Market Capitalism: Requires an informed, socially active public that votes at the local, state and national elections. It also requires that the People "vote with their wallets" and are always on the look out for innovative entrepreneurs. The press must be free and actively investigate any and all instances of corporate corruption. It also requires effectiveness and efficiency in the judicial system, law enforcement and the military. Otherwise, it will devolve into crony capitalism.

Social Democracy: Requires an informed, socially active public that votes at the local, state and national elections. It also requires that the People pay special attention to government organizations and government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) at the local state and national level to ensure that friends and family aren’t chosen for job positions instead of more motivated and qualified candidates. The press must be free and actively investigate any and all instances of government corruption. Otherwise, it will devolve into welfare for the rich.


However, I do see the Austrian school of economics as having the greatest utility among all economic schools of thought I've so far studied. And central planning most certainly suffers in comparison to "the invisible hand" being that...

"the complexity of subjective human choices makes mathematical modelling of the evolving market extremely difficult (or impossible) and thus…” centralized planning (necessary for socialism) will always lag significantly behind the demands of the market.

G-Whol was right though. What I said was juvenile, counterproductive and harmful to the image of Peter Schiff, Ron Paul and their individual supporters. Sorry bout that ):

 

[BenjaminRosenzweig]

My 2002 investment predictions were spot on and I do not want to bomb Iran!

You gotta wonder how long Schiff thinks he can go before answering all the criticisms. I feel that the guy's playing politics but I'm uncertain as to how well his campaign strategy of "sounding strong on defense" and avoiding any in-depth discussion of foreign policy is going to work out. Especially when he debates Dodd.

 

[BenjaminRosenzweig]

I do think that Rand's foreign policy about Afghanistan, from 2001-2004 era, seems a bit neoconish. He would have voted against a declaration of war, he said against Afghanistan. He also does not understand the concept of the Letters of Marque and Reprisal.

He also does not support shutting down Gitmo Bay, a military Naval base overseas in Cuba. I think he take this position just in order to win in a neocon state, Kentucky.

That's what I'm sayin.

I wish people would just listen to what a candidate says!
Rand believes the war in Afganistatan is a war to protect America but wants it declared. I disagree but he is not a neocon. There is nothing out of context in his statements. He would push to have a war declared if elected. Simple as that.

come on, if we should just to listen to what a candidate says then Democrats were right in voting for Obama.

People have taken what Schiff said about bombing Iran out of context of his overall foreign policy and concluded that he is a neocon. There are hundreds of threads on the net where this is happening.

 

[BenjaminRosenzweig]

Watch this video from April earlier this year. It will give you a sense of Peter's foreign policy views and his opinion on military spending. Skip to 4:30 for the part where Peter starts talking.



YouTube - 4/6/2009 Part 2/2 Peter Schiff On The Kudlow Report: Major Weapons Shake-Up

Exactly, that's what he says nearly every time he discusses foreign policy. And the guy has repeatedly said we need to stop stationing troops in over 160 (or whatever it is now) foreign countries.

 

[BenjaminRosenzweig]

There is a large block of fiscal conservatives that run on it and vote that way however they are smaller than the combined block of big spending republicans and the big spending democrats.

But who?

 

[BenjaminRosenzweig]

I agree 110%. The people who go around making up juvenile names for morons are no less morons themselves. It gives off a really bad image, and certainly makes me feel embarrassed for supporting Peter Schiff at times.

Peter conducts himself quite well - sharp, witty, always factually accurate, and friendly. We should be conducting ourselves the same way.

Okay, well you're right about that. It was juvenile, counterproductive and harmful to both Peter Schiff and Ron Paul. Sorry

 

[hotbrownsauce]

Every person, government, and thing has its flaws and it would be insane for us to think we could have a perfect candidate. As always there are exceptions to the rule such as Ron Paul who I consider the most perfect, but not *the* perfect representative.

 

[klamath]

But who?

Take some time and read the voting records. Remember a majority of the republicans in congress voted against TARP. And to name a few. Congressmen Flake, Duncan, Bachmann, etc, and senators Demint, Coburn.

 

[BenjaminRosenzweig]

Every person, government, and thing has its flaws and it would be insane for us to think we could have a perfect candidate. As always there are exceptions to the rule such as Ron Paul who I consider the most perfect, but not *the* perfect representative.

I wouldn't say Ron Paul is flawed any sooner that I'd say Einstein was flawed because he wasn't a phenomenal athlete. He can't be everything nor can he know everything. But to the best of my knowledge, Ron Paul is a genius when it comes to both economics and foreign affairs. And, far more important that, he's a true American patriot.

If anyone takes the time to truly research everything about the guy — his background, his experience, his positions on the issue, his knowledge, his track record of predictions — they're gonna be more than impressed. I know I was.

But still, I don't take my talking points from the guy; I do my own research and 90% of the time our positions line up almost exactly. I know the guy's smarter than I am, but he can still miss certain elements because we all specialize in different fields of study.

I've never known the guy to take part in any political corruption but if he ever does something that would call into question his integrity, I would immediately look into it and be the first to call him out on it. And I believe that progress can still be made in political science, economics, sociology and other related disciplines.

The great thing about Ron Paul is that (to the best of my knowledge) he doesn't want to be glorified as some grand leader; he doesn't want sheep or a cult of personality. Nor does he ever want to "run the country", he knows the country can run its own damn self if power-addicted elitists were simply denied political/governmental power so that the People could finally take back their Liberty.

 

[BenjaminRosenzweig]

Take some time and read the voting records. Remember a majority of the republicans in congress voted against TARP. And to name a few. Congressmen Flake, Duncan, Bachmann, etc, and senators Demint, Coburn.

Will do, thanks man!