Saudi Arabia Stands By Its Arrest of An American Woman in Starbucks

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Saudi Arabia Stands By Its Arrest of An American Woman in Starbucks
Tuesday, February 19, 2008
By Sonia Verma

Saudi Arabia's religious police have issued a rare public statement defending their arrest of an American woman living in Riyadh, jailed for sitting with a male colleague at Starbucks.

Yara, a businesswoman and married mother of three, said she was strip-searched, forced to sign false confessions and told by a judge she would "burn in hell" before she was released on Feb. 4.

Late Monday night, The Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice publicly denounced her with a statement posted on the Internet, saying her actions violated the country's Shariah law.

"It's not allowed for any woman to travel alone and sit with a strange man and talk and laugh and drink coffee together like they are married," it said.

"All of these are against the law and it's clear it's against the law. First, for a woman to work with men is against the law and against religion. Second, the family sections at coffee shops and restaurants are meant for families and close relatives," it continued.

The Commission contested Yara's version of events, saying she was never strip-searched or forced to sign confessions.

It accused her of wearing makeup, not covering her hair and "moving around suspiciously" while sitting with her Syrian colleague, who was also arrested, but later released.

Speaking from the family's home in Jeddah where they have lived for eight years, Yara's husband, who did not wish to be named for safety concerns said: "We are afraid for our lives, for our family and from further harassment."

"The things that they are suggesting about my wife, of course it isn't true. She's a professional businesswoman and she was at a café, not at a bar. They are coming up with ways to justify their actions."

Yara's story captured international attention and has fuelled fierce debate within Saudi society, where reformers and human rights groups are pressuring the government to liberalize.

The powerful religious police have launched a crackdown on the local press for its criticism of the religious police and its handling of the incident.

The "Mutaween" has vowed to sue two newspaper columnists who have written in Yara's defense, saying: "The Commission has the right to sue the writers because of the lies they are spreading. It gives the wrong idea of Saudi Arabia."

Yara, a managing partner in a finance company, has meanwhile returned to work in Jeddah, though she no longer travels to her company's offices in Riyadh where the incident took place.

Her family is contemplating a return to America, saying they feel caught in the middle of a greater debate in Saudi society between conservatives and reformers.

"There are a lot of Saudis who are angry and they are using Yara's story to say 'Enough of these people in our country.' Regardless of whether we agree or disagree, we don't want to get further punished for this," Yara's husband said.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331254,00.html

Saudi Arabia Stands By Its Arrest of An American Woman in Starbucks
Tuesday, February 19, 2008
By Sonia Verma

Saudi Arabia's religious police have issued a rare public statement defending their arrest of an American woman living in Riyadh, jailed for sitting with a male colleague at Starbucks.

Yara, a businesswoman and married mother of three, said she was strip-searched, forced to sign false confessions and told by a judge she would "burn in hell" before she was released on Feb. 4.

Late Monday night, The Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice publicly denounced her with a statement posted on the Internet, saying her actions violated the country's Shariah law.

"It's not allowed for any woman to travel alone and sit with a strange man and talk and laugh and drink coffee together like they are married," it said.

"All of these are against the law and it's clear it's against the law. First, for a woman to work with men is against the law and against religion. Second, the family sections at coffee shops and restaurants are meant for families and close relatives," it continued.

The Commission contested Yara's version of events, saying she was never strip-searched or forced to sign confessions.

It accused her of wearing makeup, not covering her hair and "moving around suspiciously" while sitting with her Syrian colleague, who was also arrested, but later released.

Speaking from the family's home in Jeddah where they have lived for eight years, Yara's husband, who did not wish to be named for safety concerns said: "We are afraid for our lives, for our family and from further harassment."

"The things that they are suggesting about my wife, of course it isn't true. She's a professional businesswoman and she was at a café, not at a bar. They are coming up with ways to justify their actions."

Yara's story captured international attention and has fuelled fierce debate within Saudi society, where reformers and human rights groups are pressuring the government to liberalize.

The powerful religious police have launched a crackdown on the local press for its criticism of the religious police and its handling of the incident.

The "Mutaween" has vowed to sue two newspaper columnists who have written in Yara's defense, saying: "The Commission has the right to sue the writers because of the lies they are spreading. It gives the wrong idea of Saudi Arabia."

Yara, a managing partner in a finance company, has meanwhile returned to work in Jeddah, though she no longer travels to her company's offices in Riyadh where the incident took place.

Her family is contemplating a return to America, saying they feel caught in the middle of a greater debate in Saudi society between conservatives and reformers.

"There are a lot of Saudis who are angry and they are using Yara's story to say 'Enough of these people in our country.' Regardless of whether we agree or disagree, we don't want to get further punished for this," Yara's husband said.


Pathetic. Hard to believe the kind of nonsense going on in the name of religion.
 
Freakin Saudi Arabia.

What a worthless backwards shithole. If we had to bomb some random raghead country, it should have been that one. At least Saddam's Iraq treated women like human beings.
 
Freakin Saudi Arabia.

What a worthless backwards shithole. If we had to bomb some random raghead country, it should have been that one. At least Saddam's Iraq treated women like human beings.

How about they bomb your fucking attitude?
 
If Saudi men didn't have their women to beat up on in every way they might get pissed off about their absolute lack of liberty and slave status to the powerful. The only thing that keeps a man robbed of his dignity sane is getting to go home and be the superior ruthless dictator to someone. If they gave women rights, the men might rise up and want actual power. That's my theory at least.

I have a white relative that travels to these countries for business. If he asks a stranger in a public place to go fetch him a cup of coffee from across town, they do it without questioning. The common man is completely subserviant to him and his Middle eastern business associates. It's just the way life is over there. Some people have power, others do what they are told lest they be killed or worse. It is truly a different place.
 
What gives Amerikans the right to tell other countries what religion to have or how to run their countries?

Some woman goes to Saudi she's under their laws. If she doesn't like their laws don't go to that country. AND she lived there for eight years. It's not like she didn't know.

She breaks the laws - tough shit.

No sympathy.

This is exactly the kind of shit illegal Mexicans are pulling in the US.
 
Ohnoes, did I offend a camel jockey? Please don't cut off my infidel head, Mohamed.

:rolleyes:


Clever!!!!

Anyways, I didn't expect irrational hate from Ron Paul supporters, maybe I was incorrect. Oh well, I guess every group of people has a hater/bigot/racist or two.

What gives Amerikans the right to tell other countries what religion to have or how to run their countries?

Some woman goes to Saudi she's under their laws. If she doesn't like their laws don't go to that country. AND she lived there for eight years. It's not like she didn't know.

She breaks the laws - tough shit.

No sympathy.

This is exactly the kind of shit illegal Mexicans are pulling in the US.


I remember in my government class, my professor asked the class this question "A man in some third world country stole an apple. Now, the law of the land is, the hand of any thief is to be cut off. Is this fair?"

The majority of the class said "no". Some said "yes".

The professor himself was in agreement with the law, since he himself said, "it is their law, they know the rules."

Sure, it's barbaric, but not something to go start a war over (Sean Edwards).
 
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here they want kids separated in school. this seems just as unhealthy. there needs to be a balance, and that is inspirational toward poductive work.
 
At least Saddam's Iraq treated women like human beings.

What, like the ones he gassed? The ones his security services raped in front of their families? The ones he had bombed? The ones he left with no husbands, fathers, sons and so on?
 
This is disgusting and barbaric, but that's why people need to stay the hell away from Saudi Arabia (or if they already live there, they should leave or try to start a movement to overthrow their insane theocracy)...it's completely ridiculous that we call them an "ally" and Iran an "enemy."
 
Perfect example of what our founding fathers knew to be true, and thats why we need to practice NO ENTANGLING ALLIANCES. In other words...STAY THE HELL OUT OF OTHER COUNTRIES BUSINESS. Just don't try and bring that crap to our country.

Sounds like she's lucky to be alive.

All your answers are in the Constitution.
 
Saudi Arabia's ruling government isn't even Islamic if you ask me. Inheriting power through blood is a sin.
 
Now THAT'S imposing your views on someone. Was she even Muslim? I guess Muslim women are overly complacent and obedient, much like the media's effects on us in the US of A.
 
Saudi Arabia's ruling government isn't even Islamic if you ask me. Inheriting power through blood is a sin.

Throughout most of Islamic history, nepotism has been a common factor among the ruling elite. It's no different now. Yazid was a drunkard and womaniser, now the Saudi royals are.
 
why do we forget who gave ibn Saud family power?

we/ the west gave em power to oust the Ottomons... (read: A Peace to end all Peace: by David Fromkin)

they were thugs and bandits before that (1926)... they used to rade pilgrims going for Hajj under the pretense that those pilgrims were actually idolaters

people here don't understand the Saudi-Wahabi government

Wahabis believe that the majority of the Muslim world ain't Muslim...
since Majority of the Muslim world is sunni-sufi and Sufism is considered to be heretical for them.

they killed thousands of Muslims when their founding-father Mohammad ibn Wahhaab attacked the two holy cities of Islam...

now unfortunately they've spread their message like wild-fire using oil money they build thousands of mosques all over the world and load em mosques up with Wahabi clerics and books... its very easy to spot them (they usually have unkept beards and are fat or have a pot belly and are very coarse in their conversation and usually wear a cloth on their head (red and white) instead of a traditional turban)

after the colonialists left the Muslim world was in a sate of ignorance with regards to their religion and culture... its a fact that the colonialists destroyed Muslim traditional schools and killed scholars by the thousand...
hence after the colonialist the Muslims took a very secular turn...

the blow-back was: when Saudis discovered oil and became rich they started dissimenating their crap all over the world alot faster... making all em secular muslims discover their Islam...

why Wahabi Islam is dangerous?
Wahabi Islam lays the foundations for a vigilante form of Islam... meaning it gives its followers the authority to be legal jurists without really fullfilling the requirements of becoming ajurist...
meaning any tom dick and harry can go read the Quran and start giving legal rulings...

traditionally one had to know the context of each and every verse along with the dilectual differences of sacred texts that have been transmitted...
along with years of sufi-grounding of abolishing the ego and other diseases such as pride, envy, ostentation and things that if found in the clerics would destroy the religion at its roots
Wahabism threw all that out of the window cuz they were just too stupid to understand the profound sciences developed by Muslim scholars over a period of 1400 years in order to codify the religion to preserve it...

Wahabism is to Islam as KKK is to Christianity or what tyrannical Christian Churches of the dark ages are to Christianity...

guess who loves and supports Saudi Arabia?
who has armed the government of Saudi Arabia to the teeth to prevent any uprising against the government?
thats right THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!
 
Freakin Saudi Arabia.

What a worthless backwards shithole. If we had to bomb some random raghead country, it should have been that one. At least Saddam's Iraq treated women like human beings.

I am sure Bush is working to make them into a beacon of Democracy, just be patient. :rolleyes:
 
Saudi Arabia's ruling government isn't even Islamic if you ask me. Inheriting power through blood is a sin.

inherting power through blood is not a sin in Islam....

thats the most ridiculous argument against the Saudi government...

even though the Saudi government is a pathetic government and in know way represents traditional sunni Islam.

this argument is usually used by wahhabis who aint so happy with their dear Saudi Arabia...
if you understand my previous post you'll understand how the wahabi sect is
every ego has its own interpretation of their religion
hence even their own scholars lash out on one another...

a small example of their ignorance:
there is a verse in the Quran that states : "and fight them as they fought you and drive them out of the places as they drove you out of your places"

Saudi clerics use this verse as a pretext to allow collective guilt...
meaning if American soldiers bomb Muslim civilians hence Muslims can kill American civilians...
which traditionally was never the interpretation of this verse...
due to other clear verses and prophetic traditions clearly narrowing the scope of this verse which literallist blind-sighted ignorant wahabi clerics can NOT conceptualize
like the Quran stating many times "no soul bears the burden of another soul"
or the prophet tradition which is as sound as the Quran in its level of authenticity that "non-combatents; women and children, elderly people, and religious clergy are to be left in Jihad"
 
inherting power through blood is not a sin in Islam....

thats the most ridiculous argument against the Saudi government...

even though the Saudi government is a pathetic government and in know way represents traditional sunni Islam.

this argument is usually used by wahhabis who aint so happy with their dear Saudi Arabia...
if you understand my previous post you'll understand how the wahabi sect is
every ego has its own interpretation of their religion
hence even their own scholars lash out on one another...

a small example of their ignorance:
there is a verse in the Quran that states : "and fight them as they fought you and drive them out of the places as they drove you out of your places"

Saudi clerics use this verse as a pretext to allow collective guilt...
meaning if American soldiers bomb Muslim civilians hence Muslims can kill American civilians...
which traditionally was never the interpretation of this verse...
due to other clear verses and prophetic traditions clearly narrowing the scope of this verse which literallist blind-sighted ignorant wahabi clerics can NOT conceptualize
like the Quran stating many times "no soul bears the burden of another soul"
or the prophet tradition which is as sound as the Quran in its level of authenticity that "non-combatents; women and children, elderly people, and religious clergy are to be left in Jihad"

When it comes to political power, many Islamic (Sunnis, Shiite, and Khomeini himself) will disagree with you, like myself.

This is one of the very reasons why, according to Islam, God let die Prophet Mohamed's (pbuh) sons, so that not only will the direct lineage of prophets (from Abraham's son, Ishmael) die with him, but also that posterity would not gain power just because of prestige.

That's some of the opinions/interpretations I've gotten, anyways.

And those quotes you gave me, I think it has to do more with them taking it out of context (wahaabists are crazy, after all). Throughout the Quran there are examples that clearly state 'leave women and children alone'. Men, if they do not submit to the victor after a battle, can be penalized with death.

And, Davy, I as a Muslim and glad you have the understanding that the verses can be misinterpreted. I've met many that take a few seemingly blood thirsty phrases here and there from the Quran and then lambaste Islam with them. I appreciate that.:)
 
Throughout most of Islamic history, nepotism has been a common factor among the ruling elite. It's no different now. Yazid was a drunkard and womaniser, now the Saudi royals are.

Yeah, nepotism is the reason why Islam split up into sects in the first place :(
 
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