Satan is in Control of Human Governments ( Can you tell? )

[BeFranklin]

Don't look now but he has been kicking Jesus's ass for about 2000 yrs. Unless of course hell on earth was Jesus's goal to begin with.

A statement of faith in satan will surely get you that. I would really advice some of the posters to think twice before doing this. God can save you, and God can also remove protection. It is better to be with the Lord, who is good beyond all measure.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

It doesn't need tweaking at all. Truthwarrior is trying to pass judgement on me *as a Christian*, which is hypocritical. If he tries to say I'm wrong without posing as a Christian, he will still be wrong, but he won't be hypocritical for that reason.

I've never said or pretended I was an athiest, deist, or satanist.

No, but you have denounced these groups of individuals, which was the point of taking your quote, “You can quit with the personal attacks. You are incapable of judging something you don't follow. This would be like saying a mass murderer should judge a murder.” and responding to it thusly-“By this logic, you could not pass the judgments on other religions/philosophies as I've seen you do. (atheists, mormons, deists, etc., etc.) This logic needs some tweaking.”

You see? You insist that TW not “judge” another’s faith, yet you judge him and his faith(or lack thereof). It is faulty logic that does indeed need tweaking in order to be sound by any measure.

 

[BeFranklin]

No, but you have denounced these groups of individuals, which was the point of taking your quote, “You can quit with the personal attacks.

From Truthwarrior

Then OBEY him. He told you WHAT to do and HOW to live.

You are merely another lost and clueless Pharisee.

Yep, just keep on believing your Roman Empire fabricated "marketing manual" "Christian" book.

These are all personal attacks. This is not a discussion about religion. The insults are I believe intended to prevent it.

If you don't know the difference between a personal slander versus an honest disagreement, we can discuss
it more.

 

[BeFranklin]

Jesus Christ is King of Kings and Lord of Lords

Jesus Christ rules

Rev 19:11-16
11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.


12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Jesus Christ rules

I like what Yeshua said and taught better than the Revelations, personally. There are some pretty neat classical European paintings based on the imaginary events Revelations, ya know.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

These are all personal attacks. This is not a discussion about religion. The insults are I believe intended to prevent it.

If you don't know the difference between a personal slander versus an honest disagreement, we can discuss
it more.

I do know the difference, and I've seen personal slander coming from all sides when you enter a thread like this.

 

[BeFranklin]

I do know the difference, and I've seen personal slander coming from all sides when you enter a thread like this.

The fact that I enter a thread doesn't mean I caused it. Simply saying the truth as is can cause problems. I intentionally avoid calling people personal names, but will bring it to the forefront what they have said they believe in - ie Jesus Christ isn't my Lord, or I like crowley quotes, or I don't believe in the bible, etc.

Theocrat may be more right than discussed in another thread. When you remove the objective standard of what is right and wrong, and everyone does what is right in his own eyes, being "christian" becomes the standard. But not everyone is a Christian, and it doesn't mean a feel good label. Getting upset at people because they are actually Christians then makes a type of logical sense in a bad way. The reaction seems to be how dare you call yourself a Christian.

Originally Posted by Feenix566
Are you suggesting that if you did not believe in God, you would have no reason to act morally?

Originally Posted by Theocrat
Exactly. As a matter of fact, I would go even further and say that for an "atheist" to have a reason to act morally is for him to act like a Christian, since in an "atheist" perspective, there is no objective morality to dictate why and how people ought to live. There is just matter in motion.

 

[PatriotOne]

A statement of faith in satan will surely get you that. I would really advice some of the posters to think twice before doing this. God can save you, and God can also remove protection. It is better to be with the Lord, who is good beyond all measure.

I don't fear a figment of your imagination. I am still alive and doing well without your Christian god's protection while Christians and innocent babies are dying horrible deaths all over the world.

God does not rule using fear...tyrants do. Your bible is all about "fear" and your god makes Bush look like a saint. Crazy genocidal maniac. If I thought for one second your God was real, I'd join the resistance. I don't need your God's threat of burning in hell to be a decent human being.

Your bible is a product of the Roman Empire. It did not fall from God's lips to earth.

 

[BeFranklin]

I don't fear a figment of your imagination. I am still alive and doing well without your Christian god's protection while Christians and innocent babies are dying horrible deaths all over the world.

Jesus Christ rules regardless of what you think

 

[BeFranklin]

Jesus Christ is King of Kings and Lord of Lords

Jesus Christ rules


Matthew 28:18-20
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

 

[mmink15]

I was gonna stay out of this one, but I gotta pop in to say one thing to BeFranklin.

How can you say in post #71 "You are incapable of judging something you don't follow.", then throw in that Theocrat quote where he judges atheists while not following that line of reasoning at all?

How can you call someone a loser in post #41, then ramble about personal attacks against you?

How can you talk about staying on topic when you admit that you only skimmed the OP because it was "beneath notice"(post#78)?

Your hypocrisy shows through as clear as day, sir.

 

[lucius]

I don't fear a figment of your imagination. I am still alive and doing well without your Christian god's protection while Christians and innocent babies are dying horrible deaths all over the world.

God does not rule using fear...tyrants do. Your bible is all about "fear" and your god makes Bush look like a saint. Crazy genocidal maniac. If I thought for one second your God was real, I'd join the resistance. I don't need your God's threat of burning in hell to be a decent human being.

Your bible is a product of the Roman Empire. It did not fall from God's lips to earth.

I think there is a big difference between genuine spirituality/prayer and what albert pike described as organized-behavioral-dogmatic religions for control--I found through my particular research that my spiritual convictions have actually deepened, yet I have shed much as well. I am very suspicious of the middlemen, and now a bit jaded.

ps: a luciferian egregore [a cult-like mindset] seems to be running things.

 

[BeFranklin]

I was gonna stay out of this one, but I gotta pop in to say one thing to BeFranklin.

How can you say in post #71 "You are incapable of judging something you don't follow.", then throw in that Theocrat quote where he judges atheists while not following that line of reasoning at all?

How can you call someone a loser in post #41, then ramble about personal attacks against you?

How can you talk about staying on topic when you admit that you only skimmed the OP because it was "beneath notice"(post#78)?

Your hypocrisy shows through as clear as day, sir.

In post 41 I called satan a loser And then told people you shouldn't go with him, because he just wants to destroy you.

Theocrat wasn't judging anyone personally, it was a general comment. It is still more profound than anyone has discussed. For everyone who has no morality, but are still trying to pretend to it, and Christianity is the reason. Look at the original post by Theocrat again. Its exactly how many politicians act.

I also said "I sure did skim it. I thought it was beneath notice but object to the title of the thread as well, which is why I posted", which was in direct response to a personal attack on my reading comprehension skills as quoted. My reading skills are just fine thank you. When Truthwarrior made the claim in the OP that satan wouldn't have said he'd give the kingdoms of the world if satan didn't own them, I immediatly skipped it because it was beneath my notice. People also wouldn't sell the brooklen bridge unless they owned it
Beyond the logical fallacy, it also contradicts most of the bible, as does the thread title.

Your hypocrisy shows through as clear as day, sir.

Another personal attack, for among other things saying satan is a loser and warning other people not to be destroyed by him. Any other excuses to attack me some more, or is this all you have?

satan doesn't rule anything. He's been kicked out of heaven, and he is going to his destruction as given by God.

 

[BeFranklin]

Jesus Christ is King of Kings and Lord of Lords

Jesus Christ is King of Kings and Lord of Lords and Jesus Christ rules


Matthew 28:18-20
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and
of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo,
I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

 

[mmink15]

BeFranklin: Okay I can see post 41 being about Satan now that you clarified it.

Your logic on Theocrat not judging anyone personally is seriously flawed, unless you are saying I am justified in saying that the hypocrisy of all christians is obvious-since that is a general comment. By your rationale that would be completely acceptable, right?.

 

[BeFranklin]

BeFranklin: Okay I can see post 41 being about Satan now that you clarified it.

Your logic on Theocrat not judging anyone personally is seriously flawed, unless you are saying I am justified in saying that the hypocrisy of all christians is obvious-since that is a general comment. By your rational that would be completely acceptable, right?.

If you said the above, I'd disagree with you, not because it is a personal attack, but because you made it with no basis - its groundless.

 

[mmink15]

I'm legitimately surprised that you wouldn't take that as an attack as well, thanks for the answer to my question.
However, instead of continuing to debate you on anything religious I'm simply walking away from this conversation.

 

[BeFranklin]

I'm legitimately surprised that you wouldn't take that as an attack as well, thanks for the answer to my question.
However, instead of continuing to debate you on anything religious I'm simply walking away from this conversation.
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Why does every intelligent Christian disobey Jesus? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slAgzJmdU

And not surprising, the poster's video link is a baseless attack on Christianity. Quoting things out of context has to be a witness
in itself.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Jesus Christ rules regardless of what you think

Well Jesus sure doesn't rule you, because you TOO don't follow your falsely claimed ruler's rules? Based on just what little I've seen from you, you don't even try to.
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Herod's Henchmen[/FONT] Laurence Vance on Christian apologists for the state, its leaders, its military, and its wars.

Yep, I knew, once again, that you don't even believe nor understand YOUR own Bible. Hypocrisy and self-deception are rampant among the "Christians". What great role models so many of them provide of what NOT to be nor do.

"20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:" -- Jesus ( Matthew 7:20-26 [ KJV ] )

 

[BeFranklin]

Well Jesus sure doesn't rule you, because you TOO don't follow your falsely claimed ruler's rules? Based on just what little I've seen from you, you don't even try to.

Anouther personal attack. I could do just as well and say you're a "good satanist".

Debate the merits of your system. Don't tell me I don't know my own, when you don't even personally know it. The only reason I see for this type of attack "Christians aren't good Christians" and "The bible isn't true" is a sin problem. The bible says you shouldn't be doing the things you are, and instead of repenting, you attack everything.