Satan is in Control of Human Governments ( Can you tell? )

BeFranklin said:
Whatever Truth Warrior. How about a statement of faith. What makes Jesus Christ your Lord, and why are you going to heaven?
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He's not my Lord, he's my brother. The "Christians" deified and made up a religion that's ONLY ABOUT Jesus. :p

Hence their historic and your present unwillingness and refusal to follow and obey his teachings. :(
 
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Truth Warrior said:
He's not my Lord, he's my brother. The "Christians" deified and made a religion that's ONLY ABOUT Jesus. :p

Hence your unwillingness and refusal to follow and obey his teachings. :(
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First, Jesus Christ *is* my Lord as well as my Savior, so like the satanist that was trying to criticize a Christian from the bible, this is hypocritical on the face of it.
Taking someone as your Lord means you obey his teachings. Someone who won't even take Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior has no standing to judge
anyone that is by that criteria. The discussion is closed to you.

I agree with you. You aren't a Christian as you stated. Also Jesus isn't your brother, because there is no other way. Jesus is the ONLY way.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
 
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BeFranklin said:
First, Jesus Christ *is* my Lord as well as my Savior, so like the satanist that was trying to criticize a Christian from the bible, this is hypocritical on the face of it.

Then OBEY him. He told you WHAT to do and HOW to live.

I agree with you. You aren't a Christian. Also Jesus isn't your brother, because there is no other way. Jesus is the ONLY way.

You are merely another lost and clueless Pharisee. :rolleyes:

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Yep, just keep on believing your Roman Empire fabricated "marketing manual" "Christian" book. :p
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Try the Sermon on the Mount and the Sermon on the Plain, on for size. Then tell me WHO since then OVER RULES him.
 
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Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings

Also, to get back to the subject of this thread and away from "unLording" and "unDeifying" and undermining Jesus in words.

I point the observers to the title of this thread, and why I originally posted on it.
satan is not in control of human governments. Jesus Christ is.

Jesus Christ is the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. He is the only begotton of God. He sits on his father's throne, and rules.

The current discussion flows straight from the logic of denying that. Deny the Lordship of Jesus. Deny his Diety. Deny that he sits
on his father's throne. And satan really rules (see the subject line of this thread).

I'm pretty shocked how obvious this is :cool:
 
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Truth Warrior said:
Then OBEY him. He told you WHAT to do and HOW to live.

You are merely another lost and clueless Pharisee.

BF "Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

Yep, just keep on believing your Roman Empire fabricated "marketing manual" "Christian" book.

Try the Sermon on the Mount and the Sermon on the Plain, on for size. Then tell me WHO since then OVER RULES him.
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You can quit with the personal attacks. You are incapable of judging in something you don't follow. This would be like saying a mass murderer should judge a murder.

You've already said you don't believe in the bible, Jesus isn't your Lord, and you aren't a Christian. Anything else?
 
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I'm actually in college. You know a place you can take a history course or two. Had to it was part of the requirements for my degree. The only person that broke my mother's heart would be my Christian dad. Both of them "Christian" and still didn't agree on religion. That or if she was devote as you that gay brother of mine. Neither parent's a huge fan. That's not my concern though. Or maybe me, she's actually disgusted at my beliefs even though she's got no clue what they are. I'm not upset though sometimes families need to put the religion aside for a second u know and get along. The way I see it you're pretty much full of hatred BeFranklin.
 
BeFranklin said:
Also, to get back to the subject of this thread and away from "unLording" and "unDeifying" and undermining Jesus in words.

I point the observers to the title of this thread, and why I originally posted on it.
satan is not in control of human governments. Jesus Christ is.

Jesus Christ is the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. He is the only begotton of God. He sits on his father's throne, and rules.

The current discussion flows straight from the logic of denying not. Deny the Lordship of Jesus. Deny his Diety. Deny that he sits
on his father's throne. And satan really rules (see the subject line of this thread).

I'm pretty shocked how obvious this is :cool:
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That's NOT what YOUR Bible says. Did you even bother to read the OP? :rolleyes:
 
BeFranklin said:
You can quit with the personal attacks. You are incapable of judging something you don't follow. This would be like saying a mass murderer should judge a murder.
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By this logic, you could not pass the judgments on other religions/philosophies as I've seen you do. (atheists, mormons, deists, etc., etc.) This logic needs some tweaking.
 
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By this logic, you could not pass the judgments on other religions/philosophies as I've seen you do. (atheists, mormons, deists, etc., etc.) This logic needs some tweaking.
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It doesn't need tweaking at all. Truthwarrior is trying to pass judgement on me *as a Christian*, which is hypocritical. If he tries to say I'm wrong without posing as a Christian, he will still be wrong, but he won't be hypocritical for that reason.

I've never said or pretended I was an athiest, deist, or satanist.
 
Truth Warrior said:
That's NOT what YOUR Bible says. Did you even bother to read the OP? :rolleyes:
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I sure did skim it. I thought it was beneath notice, but object to the title of the thread as well, which is why I posted.

The bible says over and over again that Jesus Christ is King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

Luke 1:30-33
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
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Jesus Christ is King of Kings and Lord of Lords

Nope, Jesus Christ rules :)

Isaiah 9:6-7
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
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BeFranklin said:
Like I said, satan has very little power, but I'm fully convinced he has power over you. I will continue to pray for you as God may led me.
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Don't look now but he has been kicking Jesus's ass for about 2000 yrs. Unless of course hell on earth was Jesus's goal to begin with.
 
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