Santorum is planning on fighting us at the convention

[Aratus]

awwwwwwwww ghhhhhhhhaaaad, this is why the PAC from rickie boy sweatervest that
wants to put the C4L out of business or politics... oooooooooooooooooo gaaaaaaaawwd

 

[NCGOPer_for_Paul]

How many santorum delegates did we get?

I'm one.

 

[sailingaway]

BS

The platforms are never relevant after the election.

It would to show who controls how much of the RNC. Right now, our states and the moral majority states are regional. Someone wants us fighting eachother instead of joining to battle the moderates.

 

[sailingaway]

I'm one.

don't vote for Santorum's platform over Ron's, ok?

 

[paulbot24]

Yeah, I agree on the timing. I'm not saying this is the case.

But, man, Texas saw Ron's speech, or most of them. I can't imagine a soul there thinks Ron gave up.

If in doubt, watch the speech!

 

[NCGOPer_for_Paul]

don't vote for Santorum's platform over Ron's, ok?

Wasn't planning to.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Yeah, I agree on the timing. I'm not saying this is the case.

But, man, Texas saw Ron's speech, or most of them. I can't imagine a soul there thinks Ron gave up.

I know right, Ron was fired up and fit to be ... well, let 'em rip
I had to watch it again (saw it live on suriyahfish, then recorded version).
The number of standing ovations was incredible, and I can't see how most of the non-paulers could have stood up under such TRUTH

 

[georgiaboy]

It is pure speculation. I told you I am withholding judgment there but don't like yesterday. I could not think of any reason, period, why he would back Romney BEFORE convention. Then this morning I thought some might think we would need Romney's good will to get things we want, positions to control events going forward, at convention, credentials committee backing in LA, Mass etc, and if Romney was in doubt about Rand's eventual endorsement he might not give it. If this is about control of the GOP, not the nomination, there has been reportedly been a faction of the Romney team who would just as soon we took it over, given the demographics are with us. Ron can't and won't give up on us, so can't 'give up' on the nomination, and I don't honestly think people expect him to endorse Romney, but Rand..... maybe...? He had already said he would 'support the nominee'.....

I don't know that is the case, I don't really even think it IS the case, but it is the first thing I could think of at all that would give a reason for Rand doing what he did before convention, so I don't discount it and I just am waiting to see, over time.

Extremely perceptive, sa. While Ron is directly attacking, Rand is flanking.

 

[parocks]

The massive failure we call the drug war IS a big issue. It has done for more to kill civil liberties than an supposed terrorists ever did. It keeps us meddling in south america, and causes unmeasurable amounts of violent crime as well as state violence against the citizenry. I don't think it gets any traction at the RNC, and so not useful there, but I don't see how anyone thinks it isn't a big issue.

Agree with this. What Republicans don't like about Ron Paul is Foreign Policy. Not Drug Policy. You might hear often something like "I agree with Ron Paul on domestic policy, but his foreign policy is unacceptable."

 

[Butchie]

At least Ron and Rand are destroying the future argument that Ron Paul cost Romney the Presidency. That claim hurt Ross Perot's movement.

If Romney somehow loses the Presidency, he's only got himself to blame. The whole corporate world and their media are falling over themselves trying to win him the Presidency.

He'd be the Mark Sanchez of presidential candidates.

They'll still blame it on us, you know that.

 

[paulbot24]

I realize there are alot of people out there that don't understand Rick's "purpose" throughout this whole process. My question is, do you think HE knows he is just being played as a convenience for the establishment? Once you've served your purpose as a stand-in and they no longer have a use for you, well....it usually doesn't end well for that individual. Rick Santorum is nothing but a goofy little pawn in a game that is way over his head. I doubt he realizes that since his ego is too big to fail.

 

[Valli6]

Extremely perceptive, sa. While Ron is directly attacking, Rand is flanking.

Hmmm. Maybe they're going to play "good Paul, bad Paul"?

Rand can be "good Paul" to them, "bad Paul" to us.
Ron will be Ron - good Paul to us, "bad Paul" to them.

Ron said any speech given at the convention will be censored (in response to a TV interview question asking if he wants a speaking slot at the convention). Rand can give the censored speech - maybe this is what an endorsement gets him? Rand gives it a shot - the establishment can't hold it against him if Romney loses. Then Ron can tell the truth.

 

[The Free Hornet]

Drug legalization isn't one of my priorities, and it shouldn't be on the convention floor, either.

We need serious issues in regard to foreign and monetary policies. Ones that are far reaching and show how serious we are. Not marijuana themes that will shape us as a bunch of young pot heads.

Just my two cents. The drug stuff can come after the serious issues have been debated.

It may be a fool's errand, but it is a serious issue and has little to do with "pot heads". The government is quite OK with "pot heads" which is why drug use is celebrated but the trade is regulated (patented drugs allowed, mother nature's drugs... not so much).

To suggest it is not serious is to be OK with police state America.

A coalition will not be formed by marginalizing some people or issues. You need anti-drug war, anti-torture, anti-inflation forces, anti-intervention, etc., to unite - not divide.


FYI: I take issue casting this as "not serious". Whether or not it is on the floor is a question of strategy and I have no opinion on what is brought to the floor (aside the obvious that labeling somebody's serious issue as not serious is going to divide us). Likely, issues are raised with a higher probability of success, not a lower probability of success. "Serious"ness, is less relevant.


I can't resist poking fun (not aimed at anyone - poking fun of myself):

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

How can we influence the other 2,000 delegates with our ideals before Tampa? Could we get a list of their names and mail them some literature about our issues? Maybe we could send them Tom Woods book Meltdown, Rollback, or Nullification. Maybe a DVD of some sort? Just throwing ideas out there. We have to figure out what areas we want to influence and plan accordingly.

 

[paulbot24]

The media must censor a man giving a speech at the RNC who is currently running to become the President? The FOX/CNN debates are one thing, ugly as censorship is, but at the convention? So let me get this straight. In this free country, you can run for the highest office, rack up hundreds of delegates running with one of its massive political parties, get to the national convention in Tampa, delegates in hand, years of rock solid experience in the House of Representatives on your resume, and still be censored on national television during a speech? The media really is the fourth branch of our government.

 

[slamhead]

What would Santorum 'add' or change to the platform? Banning all pornography? Racially profiling airline passengers? Prohibiting all forms of birth-control?

A camera in every bedroom.
No alcohol sales nationwide on Sundays.
Misdemeanor to use the lords name in vain.
Mandated monthly confessions.
Procreation for making babies only.
Outlaw the word individual as it has no place in American society.
etc...etc

 

[Southron]

Santorum just said Romney asked him to help at the conventions to stop RP, on Hannity's show.

 

[Maltheus]

In CO, the official Ron Paul campaign slate had nothing but Santorum supporters on it for some CDs. And they were (at least at one point) counting those Santorum people as wins for Ron Paul, even when the people in question were well known Ron Paul haters. I feel embarassed for the people who fell for that bullshit now.

 

[FrancisMarion]

Santorum just said Romney asked him to help at the conventions to stop RP, on Hannity's show.

^^^^^Santorum ^^^^

 

[sailingaway]

Santorum just said Romney asked him to help at the conventions to stop RP, on Hannity's show.

Romney would prefer a tussle he has the tie breaker for, clearly, over conservatives uniting against him. After all splitting the conservative vote has worked well for him thus far.