San Francisco Raising their Minimum Wage to $10

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Can someone explain why not having a minimum wage is better than making companies pay people a livable wage? My wife makes 8$ an hour I get SSI because I am disabled together we might bring in 1700$ in a good month and we are pinching pennies to make sure the kids have diapers and clothes and for Christmas make sure they got some toys. Etc Etc Etc....I don't see why making companies pay their slave laborers a livable wage is a bad thing...I mean personally that's what my wife is treated like a low wage slave...she worked for Wal Mart made 8.90 an hour which wasn't horrible but barely livable...
 
They are both basically the same thing. Both are job killers. Look, most of the jobs in our country come from small business. When government dictates the wage, that means that jobs that used to be available, no longer are created at all. If I think it is worth it to work for someone for a given amount, even if it is less than the government, in all their esteemed wisdom (sic), have edicted that I must be paid, what business is it of theirs? Shouldn't it be between me and the employer?

If you cede your ability to make these choices for yourself, and choose where you work, you have ceded more of your decision-making to the government. Right now, we make the decision where we work. If I don't think a company is treating me the way I want to be treated, or paying me what I think I should be making, I can quit and go work elsewhere; or start my own company, for that matter. If a lot of other talented people feel the same way and quit, guess what, that company will be forced by the market to start offering better salaries and perks, or the market will force them out of business.

But, just to sit back and ask the government to take the place of the market, well, that is what far too many people have done for far too long and is one of the reasons why our economy is in the toilet right now.
 
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Can someone explain why not having a minimum wage is better than making companies pay people a livable wage? My wife makes 8$ an hour I get SSI because I am disabled together we might bring in 1700$ in a good month and we are pinching pennies to make sure the kids have diapers and clothes and for Christmas make sure they got some toys. Etc Etc Etc....I don't see why making companies pay their slave laborers a livable wage is a bad thing...I mean personally that's what my wife is treated like a low wage slave...she worked for Wal Mart made 8.90 an hour which wasn't horrible but barely livable...

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Nice. More employment opportunities for illegals and other participants in the gray market (wage laws don't apply to them).
Too bad for all the honest folks who won't get jobs/will get fired.


I can't believe people still think minimum wages or livable income wages work.
 
Can someone explain why not having a minimum wage is better than making companies pay people a livable wage? My wife makes 8$ an hour I get SSI because I am disabled together we might bring in 1700$ in a good month and we are pinching pennies to make sure the kids have diapers and clothes and for Christmas make sure they got some toys. Etc Etc Etc....I don't see why making companies pay their slave laborers a livable wage is a bad thing...I mean personally that's what my wife is treated like a low wage slave...she worked for Wal Mart made 8.90 an hour which wasn't horrible but barely livable...
What happens if your wife gets layed off?
 
Can someone explain why not having a minimum wage is better than making companies pay people a livable wage? My wife makes 8$ an hour I get SSI because I am disabled together we might bring in 1700$ in a good month and we are pinching pennies to make sure the kids have diapers and clothes and for Christmas make sure they got some toys. Etc Etc Etc....I don't see why making companies pay their slave laborers a livable wage is a bad thing...I mean personally that's what my wife is treated like a low wage slave...she worked for Wal Mart made 8.90 an hour which wasn't horrible but barely livable...

Raising the wages causes a raise in prices. Will you be better off making 15$ an hour when it still purchases the same amount of goods and services, or even less? You might think 2$ an hour isn't a lot to raise it, but when a company employes 500,000 people that's 1 million extra a week in payroll. However not all get payed minimum wage and those that work harder and hold higher positions will likely not see their pay increase.

The minimum wage in Texas used to be 5.50 an hour. I was making 7.50 an hour as a shift manager at a small retail store. Once the minimum wage increased to 7.25 my wages went up to 8.00. I was now making less as I was only getting .75 more than minimum wage to do a lot more work than our part time employees. I ended up leaving the place as soon as I got another job offer. I now get 14.50 an hour with steady increases.

A company is better off offering higher wages to employees without it being a 'law'. That way it motivates employees and makes them want to hold on to that job and even raise themselves up in the company. If they are paid higher because of a new 'law' than they are less likely to be motivated to work hard as they will get that same rate at ANY job in the state, guaranteed.

I could go on if you want more information.
 
They are WAY behind the times.

If they want workers to earn as much purchasing power today as our parents, then the minimum wage should be about $30.00 per hour.

In 1964, when silver certificates were fully redeemable, and coins were 90% silver, the minimum wage was $1.25 which is equal to $29.65 per hour today.
 
Nice. More employment opportunities for illegals and other participants in the gray market (wage laws don't apply to them).
Too bad for all the honest folks who won't get jobs/will get fired.


I can't believe people still think minimum wages or livable income wages work.

That's not true either. The only businesses that really hire illegals are small business owners and most are in construction or some physical labor tasks as they often can pay employees with cash. If you do not have the ability to pay with cash you are not going to be hiring illegals and paying them under minimum wage.
 
Can someone explain why not having a minimum wage is better than making companies pay people a livable wage? My wife makes 8$ an hour I get SSI because I am disabled together we might bring in 1700$ in a good month and we are pinching pennies to make sure the kids have diapers and clothes and for Christmas make sure they got some toys. Etc Etc Etc....I don't see why making companies pay their slave laborers a livable wage is a bad thing...I mean personally that's what my wife is treated like a low wage slave...she worked for Wal Mart made 8.90 an hour which wasn't horrible but barely livable...

As others have said, it's the same thing.

So, the question is, what would happen if your company was forced to pay your wife $10/hour and she only produces $9.90/hour for the company? The company would be losing money by keeping her employed, so they would let her go.

But wait, there's more!!

Not only is your wife now unemployed, but unless she increases her skill set or finds something that is worth more than $10/hour for her to do, she won't be able to find another job... and on top of all that.... ALLL of those things which your wife and others COULD be producing won't get produced. Raising the standard of living and keeping prices down is based on PRODUCTION. So the decrease in production will make things more expensive, and your government checks won't go nearly as far as they used to.

No good can come of a minimum wage, we need free markets so that if your wife is underpaid then she has the option of going to another employer who is free to do business and use her skills in a more productive way.
 
HAHAHA What a joke.... Now the businesses that are not hiring at $9.92/hr are going to start hiring people like crazy at $10.24...lol
 
That's not true either. The only businesses that really hire illegals are small business owners and most are in construction or some physical labor tasks as they often can pay employees with cash. If you do not have the ability to pay with cash you are not going to be hiring illegals and paying them under minimum wage.
True, however many larger firms will either have to resort to machinery or to give up some market share. And this market share will then be taken over by Grey Labour Small Businessess.

Either way, the net social benefit is negative.
 
Minimum wage... gives a few people higher-paying jobs, gives more people no jobs. It's discriminatory against those who have low skills.

But... it sounds good, right? The end results aren't important.

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