Russian MOD Believes Turkey Planning Invasion of Syria

[TheTexan]

Haha Turkey, invading something??

Do they even have an army?

 

[alucard13mm]

Haha Turkey, invading something??

Do they even have an army?

I thought turkey had one of the largest armies in the world, like 4th or 5th, in terms of # of troops. Or at least the largest in the middle east.

 

[alucard13mm]

Looks like a bunch of NATO tanks to me.

Those look like american m60 tanks becuase of the commanders cupola. Looks like an older version without the reactive armor plates on the turret. Those tanks would get destroyed very easily by russian t90s and armatas or even tow missiles.

 

[goldenequity]

Haha Turkey, invading something?? Do they even have an army?

Actually... yes (w/o searching).. they do... they even manufacture (by license) anti tank/anti aircraft launchers/manpads etc.
Though older, they have lots of tanks and many have been upgraded... F-16's of course etc etc...
nothing that would/could do much against Russia in 'full strength' mode...
but
If Turkey went in w/ artillery/tanks/troops (and everything ELSE stayed the same)... they could kick some ass...
but they would have to stop pretending and attack SAA directly... too 'blunt' a move at this stage...
same w/ KSA/Bahrain/Qatar etc.. just Sunni's with a big butt hurt over Russia spoiling the NWO 'game'.
They were ALL promised the 'spoils' of a Syrian/Assad 'collapse'.. Turkey especially... including Iraqi Kurds/Barzani
Putin screw up everything. hahahhhaa lol ***somebody call a whammmmm bu lance***

If it wasn't so bloody tragic and disgusting...
I've thoroughly enjoyed seeing the Atlanticists stand w/ their mouths gaping at Putin's audacity.
There was nothing to 'cheer' for... for a long time since DNR/LNR fighting Porky & the Oligarchs.
Fine by me. Pretty much guaranteed: anything McCain & Kerry are 'for': I'm against.
Haven't found many exceptions.

 

[Zippyjuan]

I thought turkey had one of the largest armies in the world, like 4th or 5th, in terms of # of troops. Or at least the largest in the middle east.

In terms of total dollars spent on defense, they ranked #60 out of 126 countries in 2015 on this chart: http://www.globalfirepower.com/defense-spending-budget.asp

In terms of troops, they failed to make the Top 30 List: http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/29-largest-armies-in-the-world.html

 

[goldenequity]

Syrian FM said Saturday that any ground operation in Syria without Damascus ' approval is an "act of aggression.

On Thursday, the Saudi Arabian Defense Ministry said it was prepared to deploy ground troops to Syria to fight Daesh. On Friday, the White House welcomed the Riyadh's announcement.

Later, Bahraini ambassador to Britain Sheikh Fawaz bin Mohammed al-Khalifa said in a statement that the kingdom would commit troops to operate "in concert with Saudis." He added that the United Arab Emirates, a member of the Saudi-dominated Gulf Cooperation Council, was also ready to commit troops.

"Any ground intervention on Syrian land without the agreement of the Syrian government is an act of aggression… we regret that those [who invade] will return to their countries in coffins," Reuters quoted Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem as saying.

http://sputniknews.com/politics/201...operation-syria-aggression.html#ixzz3zRdA00bZ

'Help fight Daesh'... pretty hilarious. NWO hypocrisy knows no bounds.

If you haven't been following... N. Aleppo (Jihadi rebel 5 yr stronghold) was about to fall and Turk supply lines cut...
so in panic mode since everyone has to pretend to 'not' support them... Kerry rushes off to Geneva to hastily set up
a truce... designed to stop the fall of Aleppo by 'freezing' the conflict....
too late...
so 'talks' collapsed... actually never even started... and Erdogan's fapping over a revived Ottoman is a joke.

Raqqah is next... about 160km E. of now fallen Aleppo.

 

[charrob]

Actually... yes (w/o searching).. they do... they even manufacture (by license) anti tank/anti aircraft launchers/manpads etc.
Though older, they have lots of tanks and many have been upgraded... F-16's of course etc etc...
nothing that would/could do much against Russia in 'full strength' mode...
but
If Turkey went in w/ artillery/tanks/troops (and everything ELSE stayed the same)... they could kick some ass...
but they would have to stop pretending and attack SAA directly... too 'blunt' a move at this stage...
same w/ KSA/Bahrain/Qatar etc.. [highlight]just Sunni's with a big butt hurt over Russia spoiling the NWO 'game'.
They were ALL promised the 'spoils' of a Syrian/Assad 'collapse'.. Turkey especially... including Iraqi Kurds/Barzani
Putin screw up everything.[/highlight] hahahhhaa lol ***somebody call a whammmmm bu lance***

If it wasn't so bloody tragic and disgusting...
I've thoroughly enjoyed seeing the Atlanticists stand w/ their mouths gaping at Putin's audacity.
There was nothing to 'cheer' for... for a long time since DNR/LNR fighting Porky & the Oligarchs.
Fine by me. Pretty much guaranteed: anything McCain & Kerry are 'for': I'm against.
Haven't found many exceptions.

Really refreshing to read this. That is exactly what I've been saying. This is about globalization, one world government. Now the real enemies of the U.S. and it's Sunni jihadist allies are Russia's friends (Syria, Iran); the big prize for these NWO traitors is Russia itself. This is about loss of sovereignty (which the tpp also makes very clear).

I read an article awhile back -- think it was one of William engdahl's articles that said the Saudis are in this to control Syrian oil fields. Saudis are hurting financially. They want Assad's oil fields.

 

[charrob]

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Exclusive: After Saudi-backed Syrian rebels balked at peace talks and the Russian-backed Syrian army cut off Turkish supply lines to jihadists and other Syrian rebels, the U.S. and its Mideast Sunni “allies” appear poised to invade Syria and force “regime change” even at the risk of fighting Russia, a gamble with nuclear war, writes Joe Lauria.



By Joe Lauria

Defense Secretary Ashton Carter last October said in a little noticed comment that the United States was ready to take “direct action on the ground” in Syria. Vice President Joe Biden said in Istanbul last month that if peace talks in Geneva failed, the United States was prepared for a “military solution” in that country.

The peace talks collapsed on Wednesday even before they began. A day later Saudi Arabia said it is ready to invade Syria while Turkey is building up forces at its Syrian border.

The U.N. aims to restart the talks on Feb. 25 but there is little hope they can begin in earnest as the Saudi-run opposition has set numerous conditions. The most important is that Russia stop its military operation in support of the Syrian government, which has been making serious gains on the ground.

A day after the talks collapsed, it was revealed that Turkey has begun preparations for an invasion of Syria, according to the Russian Defense Ministry. On Thursday, ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said: “We have good reasons to believe that Turkey is actively preparing for a military invasion of a sovereign state – the Syrian Arab Republic. We’re detecting more and more signs of Turkish armed forces being engaged in covert preparations for direct military actions in Syria.” The U.N. and the State Department had no comment. But this intelligence was supported by a sound of alarm from Turkey’s main opposition party, the Republican People’s Party (CHP).

Turkey, which has restarted its war against Kurdish PKK guerillas inside Turkey, is determined to crush the emergence of an independent Kurdish state inside Syria as well. Turkish strongman Recep Tayyip Erdogan stopped the Syrian Kurds from attending the aborted Geneva talks.

A Turkish invasion would appear poised to attack the Syrian Kurdish PYD party, which is allied with the PKK. The Syrian (and Iraqi) Kurds, with the Syrian army, are the main ground forces fighting the Islamic State. Turkey is pretending to fight ISIS, all the while actually supporting its quest to overthrow Assad, also a Turkish goal.
Saudi Arabia then said on Thursday it was prepared to send its ground forces into Syria if asked. Carter welcomed it. Of course Biden, Erdogan, Carter and the Saudis are all saying a ground invasion would fight ISIS. But their war against ISIS has been half-hearted at best and they share ISIS’ same enemy: Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. If the U.S. were serious about fighting ISIS it would have at least considered a proposal by Russia to join a coalition as the U.S. did against the Nazis.

The Prize of Aleppo

The excuse of the Geneva collapse is a ruse. There was little optimism the talks would succeed. [highlight]The real reason for the coming showdown in Syria is the success of Russia’s military intervention in defense of the Syrian government against the Islamic State and other extremist groups. Many of these groups are supported by Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the United States in pursuit of overthrowing Assad.

These three nations are all apparently poised for a ground invasion of Syria just as, by no coincidence, the Syrian Arab Army with Russian air cover is pushing to liberate perhaps the greatest prize in the Syrian civil war — Aleppo, the country’s commercial capital. The Russians and Syrians have already cut off Turkey’s supply lines to rebels in the city.
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On Saturday, Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates joined the Saudis in saying they would intervene only as part of a U.S.-led ground invasion. The Obama administration has maintained that it would not send U.S. ground forces into Syria, beyond a few hundred special forces.

But these U.S. allies, driven by fierce regional ambitions, appear to be putting immense pressure on the Obama administration to decide if it is prepared to lose Syria. Though Carter said he welcomed the Saudi declaration he made no commitment about U.S. ground forces. [highlight]But Saudi Brigadier General Ahmed Asseri told al-Arabiya TV that a decision could be made to intervene at a NATO summit in Brussels next week. Carter said the matter would be on the agenda.
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The U.S. cannot likely stand by and watch Russia win in Syria. At the very least it wants to be on the ground to meet them at a modern-day Elbe and influence the outcome.

But things could go wrong in a war in which the U.S. and Russia are not allies, as they were in World War II. Despite this, the U.S. and its allies see Syria as important enough to risk confrontation with Russia, with all that implies. It is not at all clear though what the U.S. interests are in Syria to take such a risk.

From the outset of Russia’s intervention the U.S. and its allies have wanted Moscow out of the Syrian theater. They seem to be only waiting for the right opportunity. That opportunity may be now — forced by events.

Former U.S. national security adviser and current Obama adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski said last October in the Financial Times that, “The Russian naval and air presences in Syria are vulnerable, isolated geographically from their homeland. They could be ‘disarmed’ if they persist in provoking the U.S.”

Turkey’s downing in November of a Russian warplane that allegedly veered 17 seconds into Turkish territory appeared to be very much a provocation to draw Russia into a conflict to allow NATO to drive Moscow out of Syrian skies. But Russia was too smart for that and instead imposed sanctions on Turkey, while urging Russian tourists not to visit the country, which has hurt the Turkish economy.

A Battleground of Empires

As a fertile crossroad between Asia and Africa backed by desert, Syrian territory has been fought over for centuries. Pharaoh Ramses II defeated the Hittites at the Battle of Kadesh near Lake Homs in 1247 BCE. The Persians conquered Syria in 538 BCE. Alexander the Great took it 200 years later and the Romans grabbed Syria in 64 BCE.

Islam defeated the Byzantine Empire there at the Battle of Yarmuk in 636. In one of the first Shia-Sunni battles, Ali failed to defeat Muawiyah in 657 at Siffin along the Euphrates near the Iraq-Syria border. Damascus became the seat of the Caliphate until a coup in 750 moved it to Baghdad.

Waves of Crusaders next invaded Syria beginning in 1098. Egyptian Mamluks took the country in 1250 and the Ottoman Empire began in 1516 at its victory at Marj Dabik, 44 kilometers north of Aleppo — about where Turkish supplies are now being cut off. France double-crossed the Arabs and gained control of Syria in 1922 after the Ottoman collapse. The Nazis were pushed out in the momentous 1941 Battle of Damascus.

We may be now looking at an epic war with similar historical significance. All these previous battles, as momentous as they were, were regional in nature.

What we are potentially facing is a war that goes beyond the Soviet-U.S. proxy wars of the Cold War era, and beyond the proxy war that has so far taken place in the five-year Syrian civil war. Russia is already present in Syria. The entry of the United States and its allies would risk a direct confrontation between the two largest nuclear powers on earth.

 

[charrob]

The Obama Administration Has Just Recklessly Escalated Its Military Confrontation With Russi

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The Obama Administration Has Just Recklessly Escalated Its Military Confrontation With Russia
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The Pentagon’s announcement that it will quadruple US-NATO military forces in countries on or near Russia’s borders pushes the new Cold War toward actual war, possibly even a nuclear one.

Nation contributing editor Stephen F. Cohen and John Batchelor continue their weekly discussions of the new US-Russian Cold war. This installment focuses on the Pentagon’s announcement that it will quickly quadruple the positioning of US-NATO heavy military weapons and troops near Russia’s eastern borders. The result, Cohen argues, will further militarize the new Cold War, making it more confrontational and likely to lead to actual war with Russia. The move is unprecedented in modern times. Except during Nazi Germany’s invasion of the Soviet Union, Western military power has never been positioned so close to Russia, making the new Cold War even more dangerous than was the preceding one. Russia will certainly react, probably by moving more of its own heavy weapons, including new missiles, to its Western borders, possibly along with a large number of its tactical nuclear weapons. The latter reminds us, Cohen points out, that a new and more dangerous US-Russian nuclear arms race has been under way for several years, which the Obama Administration’s decision can only intensify. The decision will also have other woeful consequences, undermining ongoing negotiations by Secretary of State Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov for cooperation on the Ukrainian and Syrian crises and further dividing Europe itself, which is far from united on Washington’s increasingly hawkish approach to Moscow.

Cohen ends by expressing despair that these ongoing developments have been barely reported in the US media and publicly debated not at all, not even by current presidential candidates and the moderators of their “debates.” Never before has such a dire international situation been so ignored in an American presidential campaign. The reason may be, Cohen adds, that everything that has happened since the Ukrainian crisis erupted in November 2013 has been blamed solely on the “aggression” of Russian President Putin—a highly questionable assertion and media-policy narrative.

 

[vita3]

How about RAND & some other level-headed politicians, (HI Tulsi Gabbard,) go over to Syria & meet w/ President Assad & Russia & end this non-sense?

 

[Zippyjuan]

How about RAND & some other level-headed politicians, (HI Tulsi Gabbard,) go over to Syria & meet w/ President Assad & Russia & end this non-sense?

What would you suggest? Helping Assad defeat the opposition or help the opposition overthrow Assad? Russia wants actually both out of there- eventually. Neither Assad nor Putin would accept a negotiated settlement with the rebels. And probably neither do they.

 

[vita3]

Obviously support current Assad Gov in it's fight against Islamic Jihadist. ISIS/AL-Queda

 

[Zippyjuan]

Rand can give military aid to another country? Or are you thinking of doing a money bomb?

 

[osan]

This could be the most amusingly entertaining military vignette since WW II. One cannot know with great certainty the real deal here, but if what we see is sufficiently what we have in hand, I suspect the Turks may be in for a very unpleasant surprise if they think that they can seriously irritate the Russians and that NATO will perforce have their back.

oh and M60 tanks v. T-90s? Turkey must be joking. That would be a literal "Turkey shoot".

Are they really so stupid, or is this all for out benefit?

 

[Zippyjuan]

This could be the most amusingly entertaining military vignette since WW II. One cannot know with great certainty the real deal here, but if what we see is sufficiently what we have in hand, I suspect the Turks may be in for a very unpleasant surprise if they think that they can seriously irritate the Russians and that NATO will perforce have their back.

oh and M60 tanks v. T-90s? Turkey must be joking. That would be a literal "Turkey shoot".

Are they really so stupid, or is this all for out benefit?

(Turkey isn't going to invade Syria)

 

[goldenequity]

(Turkey isn't going to invade Syria)

IF Turkey invades: 2 scenarios...


The Kurds are (now) 'at the door' of AZAZ (al Nursra)... the 'other' serious stronghold besides Raqqah (ISIS)
Yesterday's footage of the YPG & YPJ march to Azaz

Both are Erdogan's main Turk supply points to his proxiis.
Azaz is also guarding the foothills of the Latakia mountains... so the coming Kurd offensive
and RuAF airstrikes and counter offensives will be a particularly fierce and brutal battle.
If Turkey is going to 'make a move'.... the coming battle for Azaz is a likely trigger point.

Latakia: SAA/NDF troops minutes before the start of offensive against terrorist stronghold in Kinssaba.

Latakia Rebel/Mercs - Rebel TOW targeting SAA ammunition tent


Syrian Army captures Saraf village in northern Latakia

Earlier today, the Syrian Special Forces – led by the commandos of the 103rd Brigade – launched a wide-scale assault in the Kurdish Mountains of northern Latakia, striking the Islamist rebels at a number of villages in order to weaken their defenses around the Kinsibba perimeter. Photos from their attack this morning were posted by the battlefield correspondent Eyad Al-Hussein, who also reported that the Syrian Armed Forces are steadily advancing at a number of villages in northern Latakia today. While the military activity has increased in northern Latakia, the Syrian Armed Forces have still been unable to break into the strategic village of Kinsibba, despite the repeated attempts.

Raqqa: Syrian Army sets its sights on Tabaqa Military Airport in Al-Raqqa

For the first time in a long time, the soldiers in eastern Hama are poised to recapture the Tabaqa Military Airport and avenge the loss of 200+ soldiers who were brutally executed by the ISIS terrorists after a long march through the deserts of Al-Raqqa. On Tuesday morning, over 800 fighters from Liwaa Suqour Al-Sahra (Desert Hawks Brigade), the pro-government Palestinian militia “Liwaa Al-Quds” (Jerusalem Brigade), Fouj Al-Joulan (Golani Regiment), and Kataebat Al-Ba’ath arrived at the town of Ithriyah in anticipation for the coming offensive. While no date has been set for this offensive, sources from the Syrian Arab Army estimate that the assault could begin as early as March of this year.

Raytan, Aleppo - Hezbollah/SAA/NDF & Iraqi PMU walking among slain Al-Sham headchoppers (McCain's proxiis).

 

[goldenequity]

Moscow is ready to share with the West information on contacts with the Turkish terrorist group "Islamic state" (IG; banned in Russia).
Russia FM Spokesperson: Ms. Zakharova:

"We are ready not only to provide information, and to coordinate our steps, to exchange information with foreign counterparts in any convenient formats for them," - said Ms. Zakharova, adding that so far no interest in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs does not see.

Gotta love it.. the tongue in cheek of 'diplomacy'.

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Syrian Kurds to Continue Working With Russia to Halt Illegal Oil to Turkey

Earlier in the day, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said Turkey was attempting to protect its "dirty" oil business with terrorists by voicing its concern over activities by the Syrian Army near its borders.

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"Turkey will defend its ‘Aleppo brothers,’" says PM Davutoglu Unbelievable BS.. now trying to make the oil smuggling and gun running appear like a 'noble debt of honor. **barf, gag**

 

[goldenequity]

Kurd Attrocities in Cizre

Just a heads up on another kettle beginning to boil for Turkey...

Across the past few days,
The Turk jack boots/'security' forces have twice incinerated and detonated
2 basements full of Kurds in the Kurd border city of Cizre.
Yesterday's had 60 murdered... today's had 20.
I won't post the pictures of the atrocities... too graphic.

However, the SYRIAN YPG has had 'enough'.
This is late breaking:

TEV-DEM statement says Syrian Kurds are ready to protect Kurds in Turkey, "there are no borders anymore"

Kerry & the hegemonists have refused to join Erdogan's request to 'condemn' the YPG as 'terrorists'

 

[goldenequity]

This is pretty much a concise review of previous post #36 above



Thought this vid was impressive... a 13 y.o. (their 'mother' Russia/Russian Orthodox/Patriotic roots are deep.. gov 'sponsored'? Dunno.)



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Azaz: Beginning the end. It is almost on the border with Turkey.
Current: SDF backed by #RuAF airstrikes begin attacking the western outskirts of Azaz in north #Aleppo
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Kurdish forces seize the Mennagh Military Airport
Mennagh Air Base (or Minnigh airport, Minakh Air Base ) is a Syrian Air Force installation located 6 kilometres (3.7 mi) south of Azaz, Aleppo Governorate, Syria

The predominately Kurdish “People’s Protection Units” (YPG) – in close coordination with Jaysh Al-Thuwwar of the Syrian Democratic Forces – have established full control over the Mennagh Military Airport and 3 nearby villages after a 48 hour battle with the Islamist rebels of Harakat Ahrar Al-Sham, Jabhat Al-Shamiyah, and the Free Syrian Army (FSA). With Mennagh Military Airport under their control, the YPG and SDF are now in position to strike the imperative city of ‘Azaz, which is the location of the Islamist rebels last border-crossing into Turkey from the Aleppo Governorate.

Refugee camp being set up on the Syrian side of the Turkish border by Turkish aid agency (NOTE: hegemonists are DETERMINED to 'try' and create 'safe zones'... i.e. an effort to 'Balkanize' Syria using 'freeze conflict' type proposals and 'soft' borders... Assad is determined to chase the jihadis to the gates of Turkey and slam them shut.)

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Russian Defense Ministry says fleeing Syria militants are disguised as Aleppo civilians

MOSCOW, February 11./TASS/. Terrorists in Syria are trying to flee to Turkey ‘blending into’ civilians of Aleppo as they know Russian warplanes don’t attack peaceful population, Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said on Thursday.

"Mass desertion is fixed among gunmen groups operating in the area of Aleppo. Terrorists intimidate local population and use force to drive people to the Turkish border," he said.

Dropping their weapons, gunmen are trying to hide among these crowds as Russian warplanes and Syrian government troops never target civilians, he told reporters.

Russia’s intelligence system in Syria rules out risks for civilians

According to the officer, Russia has deployed a multi-layered intelligence system together with partners in Syria which rules out any risks for peaceful civilians.

"The Russian Armed Forces, together with partners, have deployed a multi-layered intelligence system that ensures reliable detection of targets. Only after multiple checks of the obtained data and ruling out any risks for peaceful civilians, airstrikes are delivered at those targets," Konashenkov said.

Konashenkov also said western media were showing footage of Aleppo that was destroyed before the operation of the Russian Aerospace Forces began, to pass it off as the aftermath of Russian airstrikes.

Syrian opposition shifts to cooperation with government

The spokesman pointed out that Syrian opposition groups are shifting to cooperation with the government, adding that in Daraa Province several groups agreed to lay down arms after talks.

"Syrian opposition groups have been productively sharing intelligence with us. Many are shifting to cooperation with the Syrian government," he said.

On February 8, armed groups in Atbaa, Daraa province, laid down arms after negotiations and Syria’s state flag was hoisted over the city.

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►Fourth Kerry/Saudi meeting in four days.
(OPEC cut.... if Russia stops shooting in Syria???)

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syrianfreepress: PROPAGANDA ALERT: U.S. Airforces bombed Aleppo’s hospitals, Washington liars put the blame on Russia

Two US Air Force A-10 Thunderbolt II assault warplanes carried out airstrikes on Aleppo Wednesday, destroying nine facilities, Russia’s Defense Ministry reported. The same day, the Pentagon accused Moscow of bombing two Aleppo hospitals, while there were no Russian flights over the city.

 

[alucard13mm]

Interesting how the basic SAA infantry has almost no gear except for their guns. Damn thats hardcore. Seems most of them dont have helmets or kevlar vests. Maybe they have some flak jackets at least...