Russian Jet Downs US Drone

[Snowball]

another link to Russian denial that any contact occurred:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-denies-it-downed-us-military-drone-2023-03-14/

Any 3 things possible, without inspecting the SU, or interviewing US controllers, there is simply no way to know.

1) EM jamming on the SU
2) Loss of control by US controllers due to operational stresses
3) Clipped by SU

and 4) the Reaper tried to hit the SU intentionally

 

[cjm]

The US is saying they collided, Russia is saying they did not collide...

I'm not even sure the Black Sea exists these days. So much BS going around.

 

[Anti Federalist]

This was written in satire 40 years ago. Satire isn't funny when it's reality. It always was reality, but they don't try to hide it anymore.

Hah!

I knew I knew those guys from somewhere.

 

[Anti Federalist]

So many great posts.

This thread delivered.

 

[RJB]

Could it have been caused by wake turbulence? Where's Danke when you need his advice?

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

Could it have been caused by wake turbulence? Where's Danke when you need his advice?

Not super likely. Might have helped a bit. Large aircraft in takeoff (high AoA) create more wake turbulence than fighter jets in level flight. Really close in front the engine exhaust might do some damage I imagine, but also not sure.

 

[acptulsa]

Could it have been caused by wake turbulence? Where's Danke when you need his advice?

Yes.

Not super likely. Might have helped a bit. Large aircraft in takeoff (high AoA) create more wake turbulence than fighter jets in level flight.

That's true, all else being equal. That said, since the Concorde got grounded, all else isn't necessarily equal. No jetliner can go halfway near Mach 2.

That supersonic wash is much stronger.

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

That's true, all else being equal. That said, since the Concorde got grounded, all else isn't necessarily equal. No jetliner can go halfway near Mach 2.

That supersonic wash is much stronger.

Story doesn't say the jet was supersonic, given that it was dumping fuel in front of the drone, I'd say it was speed matching. That also makes a collision more likely.

 

[CaptUSA]

Was not shot down.

Right.

MODS, please amend title to "Downs US Drone"

 

[RJB]

Not super likely. Might have helped a bit. Large aircraft in takeoff (high AoA) create more wake turbulence than fighter jets in level flight. Really close in front the engine exhaust might do some damage I imagine, but also not sure.

I took 25 hours of flight lessons when I was in the Marines in a small Cessna. My instructor always cautioned me to land far behind the F/A 18s because of the wake turbulence. I was always curious how bad it could interfere with flight, but I never tested it for obvious reasons lol. I can be crazy, but not that crazy.

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

I took 25 hours of flight lessons when I was in the Marines in a small Cessna. My instructor always cautioned me to land far behind the F/A 18s because of the wake turbulence. I was always curious how bad it could interfere with flight, but I never tested it for obvious reasons lol. I can be crazy, but not that crazy.

This is quite a good summary of wake turbulence;
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/aim_html/chap7_section_4.html

I don't know if F/A-18's are particularly more dangerous with wake turbulence but being a Cessna 152 or 172 or so, you're one of the smaller planes around and landing is one of the critical phases, so yes you would also maintain proper clearance to reduce risks as much as possible. As you most likely know, a small risk with a little bit of complacency can end in death. So even if the wake of the F/A-18 isn't that bad, it doesn't hurt that you're 'extra' safe.

 

[acptulsa]

Story doesn't say the jet was supersonic, given that it was dumping fuel in front of the drone, I'd say it was speed matching. That also makes a collision more likely.

Believe me, it doesn't take an SU-27 long to pick up speed.

 

[jmdrake]

Was not shot down.

Russian jet hit it's propeller, knocking it down... probably by accident.

The UAV was providing Ukraine with military services in the field of war.

US has no leg to stand on here.

Cost: 56 million USD.

https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104470/mq-9-reaper/

56 million? Good googley moogley! It's basically a fancy remote controlled prop airplane. That's why China's selling more military drones than the U.S.



See 9:30 in.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Right.

MODS, please amend title to "Downs US Drone"

I think you can edit your own titles if you click 'go advanced' when editing.

 

[acptulsa]

I think you can edit your own titles if you click 'go advanced' when editing.

Yes, but I think there's a time limit.

 

[69360]

The media is trying to spin this now saying the drone was crashed on purpouse by US forces.

 

[RJB]

56 million?

Yeah. I got whiplash with the double take I did with that figure. I have become jaded with reading outrageous costs. The cost for that drone really stands out. Someone is grifting pretty hard.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Right.

MODS, please amend title to "Downs US Drone"

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[RJB]

To ensure moderators see requests such as this, the relevant post should be flagged using the "Report Post" function (via the triangular icon at the bottom of the post). Otherwise, the request might not be seen or noticed.

That's weird. I flag the at least 50 posts a day, and all the mods do is tell me to knock it off or I'll get banned

 

[Occam's Banana]

That's weird. I flag the at least 50 posts a day, and all the mods do is tell me to knock it off or I'll get banned

Well, I only said the mods would be sure to see the requests if you flag them.

I didn't say anything about what they would or wouldn't do about it.

(And actually, it's more like only 30 posts a day, so quit exaggerating.)