Russian - Georgian Conflict: A Cause for Concern?

The scene I've gotten from folks that claim residency to the area; is that, Putin is fighting the NWO. That he is fighting to keep oil profits for Russia, and out of the hands of the Crown Corporation. They are building him up to a warrior status as he does battle with the US the UK and the Rothschild Family for control of Oil transport. They definitely consider the US as, the spear-head of the New World Order.

There is dis-info everywhere, on all sides of it and i believe it all. lol

Some of us had better start believing in the Draft cuz it may be here sooner then you think.

Well than if this is the case I hope Russia manages to push back Georgia and does not agree to a cease fire. I hope more Americans wake up to what the two presidential hopefuls are sayings as being a bi-partisan message. I hope Russia doesn't launch any nukes, I would like to be alive to see the NWO falls thank you very much.

Or you could choose to believe neither... ;)

Draft, I will run into hiding... I am not fighting any war for any special interests groups. The constitution is ignored anyway in this country so i am not fighting for this country than. The only thing I will fight for is for The constitution to be reinstated! Only than would I consider fighting for this country.


What's wrong with Russia being an economic powerhouse?

Nothing, but wouldn't threaten to do even more damage to our own economic stability even further?

Ok, that was so funny I choked..

I know right, ignorant American's give us a bad name.
 
the russia issue

I have a good friend in Yelets, Russia who wrote to me about this conflict the other day. She wrote:

"As for the conflict in Georgia – I think that neither we nor you will know all the truth. But here it is what I know.

This is the chronology and you are to make conclusion yourself.

At the beginning of August Georgia, Soutn Osetia and Russia decided not to use force.

In Osetia there were only Russian peace keepers (not from other countries)

At night of August,7 (Mark: before the Olimpic Games) Georgia fired the capital of Osetia Tshinvali from all possible guns, mortars and other weapons WITHOUT any notifying and bombed the town all the night.

During only this night about 2000 civil people were killed and the city was practically destroyed.

Russia did not do any military actions. On August, 7 on Russian initiative they called UN Security Council, but it could not decide any thing. And during this time Georgia damaged 10 ossets villages.

In the afternoon Ossetia and Russia asked Georgia to allow humanitarian corridor for civil people but Georgia refused. Russia still did not do any military actions.

By the end of the day about 35,000 refugees left Ossetia under bombing and firing. Humanitarian corridor was not opened by Georgia.

In the evening August, 7 Russia announced that it will compel Georgian to peace with its military troops. Only at this moment Russian military troops began to enter Ossetia (by the way, not more than it was written in the treaty between Georgia and Russia about the number of Russian peace keepers). And they began to fight with Georgian troops.

It was all the night, but losses of Georgian civil people are close to none because the Russians attacked only military objects.

On August, 8 Security Council was summoned on Georgian initiative and again in didn't decide anything.

On the August, 9 it called the third time and decided to send observers to the zone of conflict. Only after that Georgia opened humanitarian corridor.

Many volunteers from Abkhazia, Chechnya and Russia want to go and help the Ossets. Besides Chechnya already sent its military troops to help the Ossets.

During 10-11 of August Georgian military troops were forced out from Tshinvali and villages.

On August, 11 Saakashvili had to sign stopping of firing, but the Georgian still fired till August, 12.Oficcial information says that Ossetia lost more than 2000 civil people, and Georgia's losses are minimal (by the way even BBC World does not give the number of Georgian civil people lost).

Today French President came to Russia and proposed a variant of adjustment, Russia signed it and tomorrow Sarkazi will take it to Georgia.

And now something from history of these peoples when they were in Russian Empire. In the 19 century the Georgians all the time tried to assimilate the Ossets and even Russian tsar had to confirm Ossetic national identification and forbade Georgian to do it.



I saw on TV the conference of the UNO. Almost all the members, how their countries, accuse Russia of attack of Georgia, all say as if to our government came into the head intervene in the territory of Georgia having for the object effect for Georgia. All the world community says that and seems that the West doesn't know that Russia isn't the initiator or doesn't want to. It was about two days ago. But now the situation hasn't changed much, I think.



The thing is that America accuses Russia of intervention in Georgia but all the conflict looks as if America is on Georgian side, strictly speaking Georgia on American side and under American influence and Saakashvili never would have done all this without US' backing him.

This is what I can say of this conflict. As you see it's not simple.



I think in the USA it looks the wrong side out. Tell me please how it is.

.... One thing more: today on TV they said that in Tshinvali, the capital of the South Ossetia, which was attacked Georgian forces destroyed many important historical monuments of the Bizantine epoch and it results with that now it isn't possible to restore."
 
These Georgians, I tell ya, if this is true than Georgia is a sneak bastardo of a country.

They are smaller than Russia and they instigate a war. Than when Russia goes in they try to make themselves look like the good guys who are trying to defend from Russian intrusion. Georgia knowing this plays their game to continue oppression. Russia is made to look like the bad guy because they are more powerful and larger than Georgia.
 
Let's think this through a little bit. Our Russian source tells us that the Russian Army only had peacekeepers in S Ossetia on the morning of the 7th, but by the evening of the 7th were attacking Georgia in strength. Those guys must be really good to go from no warning to attacking in less than 18 hours.

Just for comparison, here are some timelines from the US Army, when I was stationed in Germany.

Alert all personnel to report to post and load gear on vehicles - 4 hours
Move tanks and other vehicles off post into staging area for ammunition issue and other war supplies - 2 hours
Move to battle positions - 12 hours (allowing for evacuating civilians)

Either the Russians are as good as we are, or maybe there was a plan....

http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2008/08/the-truth-about-1.php
 
It was Georgia breaking a truce agreement which started the whole thing. They had been fighting off and on and were supposedly trying to work things out and agreed to a truce, but instead of withdrawing troops further back, they sent them into South Ossetia. The speed and strength of the Russian responce was pretty fast. They had to have had troops in the area for some time since they were in South Ossetia the very next day. Putin flew home from the Olympics in Bening to supervise the actions.

Georgia crisis: Timeline

By Richard Alleyne
Last Updated: 5:42PM BST 15 Aug 2008

Thursday August 7 - Georgia begins a military operation to retake South Ossetia, which has had de facto independence since 1992, after days of fighting with separatists.

Friday August 8 - The Russian government sends tanks to the region and claims it must protect Russians living in the province.

Saturday August 9 - Fighting continues as the Georgian interior ministry claims Russia has carried out air strikes on three military bases and oil shipping facilities. Britain echoes international calls for a ceasefire between the two sides.

Sunday August 10 - The UK Foreign Office urges all Britons to leave Georgia and advises against non-essential travel to the region. The Russians blockade Georgia's Black Sea coast and are accused of bombing airport.

Monday August 11 - Russian forces push beyond the borders of South Ossetia amid accusations they are attempting to "conquer" Georgia.

US President George Bush warns Moscow not to proceed with a "dramatic and brutal escalation".

Tuesday August 12 - Russian President Dmitry Medvedev announces that his forces will end their operation in Georgia, claiming that Russia's aims have been achieved. However reports of Russian bombing of Gori continue.

Wednesday August 13 - President George W Bush warns that Russia "must keep its word and act to end this crisis", while Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice says Moscow "seriously overstretched" itself in Georgia.

Thursday August 14 – Poland and America conclude a deal which will see Poland house a US missile defence system. The first shipments of US humanitarian aid arrive in Georgia. A Russian commander in the region says his troops starting to withdraw.

Friday August 15 - US President George W Bush accused Russia of "bullying and intimidation". The Polish missile deal angers Russia which said the US move "cannot go unpunished". It claims it will be forced to re-direct nuclear missiles on Poland.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/georgia/2565469/Georgia-crisis-Timeline.html
 
From doing some eclectic reading online, Georgia has been doing a big military buildup over the past few years, spending about 15% of their GDP. There has also been a push to get Georgia into NATO, and talk of putting up a 'missile shield' among Russia's neighbors, notably Poland, presumably to defend against Iran. US propaganda has been decidedly anti-Russia; how about the reporting of this conflict as beginning with Russia invading Georgia? Sheesh.

I think Russia has been anticipating a move by Georgia (if not on the secessionist provinces, then Iran) and so has had troops available near Georgia's borders. According to pro-Georgia propaganda, the troop movements are because Russia has aims to bring back the old USSR. I don't think this is possible, because Russia has been spending very little on its military. Their spending has been similar to that of Italy, according to Wikipedia.

Speaking of military spending, if Wikipedia statistics hold any water then we are the warmongers. Russia and Iran spend practically nothing on their military while we spend several times what the rest of the world spends.

In 2003, Russia made a lot of noise about denominating their oil sales in currencies other than dollars, joining Iraq, Iran, and Venezuela in their repudiation of petrodollars. This is the essence of our beef with these countries, IMO. I don't know if Russia went through with their threats of 'terrism' against the dollar or not. Maybe they did, and that's why the US is so hot on starting WWIII.
 
what scares me is the "news" that people are preaching on here as fact without ever being in russia or georgia with any real facts.

we all can google and watch the news but it doesn't make any of it fact.

it is the same mentality of other countries thinking we as Americans all agree with nation building just because our military is doing it.
 
If anyone bothers to read the link I posted, you will see that one of the sources is a prof from U Montana who has covered the region since the breakup of the Soviet Union and has a book out on the Chechnya war. I would give his opinion some consideration since he is not a member of either group, and has some knowledge of the region.
 
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