Russia Would Like Alaska Back.

Speaking of kidding ourselves...

cheapseats said:
I am DELIGHTED to hear it -- I am despondent over how many of my countrymen are turning out to be frauds and cowards.

Coupla problems, however.

Who will protect your property from Looters at home? Who will protect your family? What will you do for money? What happens if Canada declares Neutrality, and declines to cooperate with the trucking in of machinery and supplies -- blow them away, en route? Too, I believe it is not uncommon for combatants to gain and lose ground, yes? When/as Russia is pushed back, they are pushed into their own country. If you must pull back to re-group, again, you must deal with Canada.

And dress warm. Kid yourself not about the number of campaigns that have been abandoned or lost owing to brutal winters.
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Russia will not simply invade Alaska.

They will wait until the right opportunity, perhaps after the United States suffers yet another 911 style false flag or genuine "disaster."

Given a scenario of domestic devastation (perceived or real), our new imPOsTUS Barry Soetero will likely invite the Russians to assist Alaska, and perhaps invite the Chinese to help California.

We may be closing in on the end of the Empire, but let's not validate this KGB propaganda by letting the Russians decide the manner in which OUR nation will be re-aligned.

It is up to US to re-build our own nation.

Is this not our intuitive rationale for stocking-up and preparing?
 
More to the point, who's kidding whom?

Gideon said:
Russia will not simply invade Alaska.
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Indeed, I should not think so. I am obliged, however, to recall that no one thought Rome would fall, no one thought the Titanic would sink and, after Pearl Harbor, no one thought an attack could occur on America soil.


They will wait until the right opportunity, perhaps after the United States suffers yet another 911 style false flag or genuine "disaster."
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They're crafty, no doubt about it . . . like us. I listened to Dmitri Medvedev on C-SPAN the other week. I'm not gonna lie, I was impressed. The dude came off as SMART and STRAIGHTFORWARD -- MUCH more direct and substantive than Obama.

By contrast, Putin is a Power Monger who, like our Neocons, appears devoid of conscience. I hope he will not have me poisoned for saying that -- I mean well. ;)

Check this out:

http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-12-30-voa29.cfm

I hope Medvedev surprises Putin by running for a second term, ESPECIALLY now that the next Russian president will serve for six years. Whether it's Medvedev or Putin, a decade down the line, America will be AGAIN absorbed in Campaign-O-Rama and will AGAIN have a lame-duck Transition, while Russia is percolating full steam ahead.



Given a scenario of domestic devastation (perceived or real), our new imPOsTUS Barry Soetero will likely invite the Russians to assist Alaska, and perhaps invite the Chinese to help California.
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Americans must be prepared to respond with all the vigor, and then some, that they mounted when George Bush saw fit to sell our ports to the United Arab Emirates.

Parenthetically, I will contend that any sales of Government Land during this Economic Crisis -- some of which will almost certainly have been made to Bad Guys who have been hoarding money -- will also have been made Under Duress, and should be legally challenged for integrity.



We may be closing in on the end of the Empire, but let's not validate this KGB propaganda by letting the Russians decide the manner in which OUR nation will be re-aligned.

It is up to US to re-build our own nation.

Is this not our intuitive rationale for stocking-up and preparing?
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Absolutely, absolutely. My point is that we are vulnerable beyond vulnerable, while the people who got us into this shit roll with armed guards, private planes and chauffer-driven armored limousines. The truth is that, while they globe-trot and hob-nob on the Taxpayers' dime, a suicide bomber could walk into ANY ONE OF OUR MALLS ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. Good think we're too egalitarian for profiling, eh?
 
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maps off for sure... Missouri would be split in half, with the bottom part going to mex, and the northern part going to CAN, anyone whos lived in a lot of different parts of Missouri will tell you, North MO and South MO are two different worlds
 
Captain America said:
no way this will happen
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Exactly. No way, Jose.

I never totally bought that mighty Troy fell for, well, the Trojan Horse. And it positively defies believability that there would be a period of human history long enough to have a name, notably the Renaissance, during which Roman Catholic Popes would SELL FORGIVENESS. On the other hand, the saying "Beware Greeks bearing gifts" must have come from SOME manner of stupidity, and the Renaissance Popes DID sell forgiveness.

I completely agree about improbability, but I would remind my countrymen that presuming this or that will work out fine and not having a Plan B if things go awry pretty much defines our being mired in Iraq, after initially thundering into Baghdad like so many steam rollers.

And I would point out the obvious -- that on the chance that Russia and China decided, albeit each for a different reason, to join forces against us in aggression, we would be fairly well screwed. However remote the possibility, one has only to A.) read some history, B.) consider our debt and China's population, and C.) look at a map to know that the possibility DOES exist. What I am pointing out is that, in light of actual possibility plus increasing international acrimony, America -- as per usual, not as per Change -- seems to have no meaningful contingency plans.

I will argue that our leaders-I-use-the-term-contemptuously are MOST derelict in their duties.
 
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Bold emphases, mine.


Thomas Cahill

How the Irish Saved Civilization


pg.11 "On the last, cold day of December in the dying year we count as 406, the river Rhine froze solid, providing the natural bridge that hundreds of thousands of hungry men, women and children had been waiting for. They were the barbari--to the Romans an undistinguished, matted mass of Others, not terrifying, just troublemakers, annoyances, things one would rather not have to deal with--non-Romans. To themselves, they were, presumably, something more, but as the illiterate leave few records, we can only surmise their opinion of themselves.

Neither the weary, disciplined Roman soldiers, ranked along the west bank, nor the anxious, helter-skelter tribes amassing on the east bank could have been giving much thought to their place in history. But this moment of slack, this relative calm before the pandemonium to follow, gives us the chance to study the actors on both sides of the river and to look backward on what has been and forward to what will be.


pg. 26: "By the fifth century, in the years before the complete collapse of Roman government, the imperial approach to taxation had produced a caste as hopeless as any in history. Their rapacious exactions, taken wherever and whenever they could, were the direct result of their desperation about their own increasingly unpayable tax bills. As these nerved-up outcasts commenced to prey on whoever was weaker than they, the rich became even richer. The great landowners ate up the little ones, the tax base shrank still further, and the middle classes, never encouraged by the Roman state, began to disappear from the face of the earth. Nor would they return till the appearance of the Italian mercantile families of the high Middle Ages."

pg. 29: "...Though it is difficult to imagine the Pax Romana lasting as long as it did without the increasing militarization of the Imperium Romanum, the Romans themselves were never happy about their army. It suggested dictatorship, rather than those good old republican values, and they preferred to avert their eyes, keeping themselves carefully ignorant of the army's essential contribution to their well-being. With the moral decay of republican resolve, the army became more and more a reserve of non-Romans, half-Romanized barbarian mercenaries and servants sent in the stead of freemen who couldn't be bothered. In the last days of the empire, men commonly mutilated themselves to escape service, though such a crime was--in theory--punishable by torture and death. Military levies, sent to the great estates, met such resistance that influential landowners were allowed to send money, instead of men, to the army. In 409, faced with an increasingly undefended frontier, the emperor announced the impossible: henceforth, slaves would be permitted, even encouraged, to enlist, and for their service they would receive a bounty and their freedom. By this point, it was sometimes difficult to tell the Romans from the barbarians--at least along the frontier."


pg. 29: "There are, no doubt, lessons here for the contemporary reader. The changing character of the native population, brought about through unremarked pressures on porous borders; the creation of an increasingly unwieldy and rigid bureaucracy, whose own survival becomes its overriding goal; the despising of the military and the avoidance of service by established families, while its offices present unprecedented opportunity for marginal men to whom its ranks had once been closed; the lip service paid to values long dead; the pretense that we still are what we once were; the increasing concentrations of the populace into richer and poorer by way of a corrupt tax system, and the desperation that inevitably follows; the aggrandizement of executive power at the expense of the legislature; ineffectual legislation promulgated with great show; the moral vocation of the man at the top to maintain order at all costs, while growing blind to the cruel dilemmas of ordinary life--these are all themes with which our world is familiar, nor are they the God-given property of any party or political point of view, even though we often act as if they were. At least, the emperor could not heap his economic burdens on posterity by creating long-term public debt, for floating capital had not yet been conceptualized..."
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map just...isn't right.

In any event, I tend to think it'd be more fractured than this....Ohio for instance.....it wouldn't fit well with Pennsylvania or the New England States...it most definitely doesn't fit with Kentucky or the South...and Indiana and Michigan just don't fit well with it either....I'd argue its closet cousin is Illinois and Iowa.

In any event...I kinda doubt it'll happen, but who knows....better under Canadian influence though than the EU, Mexico, China, or Russia!
 
cheapseats said:
Bold emphases, mine.
pg. 29: "...Though it is difficult to imagine the Pax Romana lasting as long as it did without the increasing militarization of the Imperium Romanum, the Romans themselves were never happy about their army. It suggested dictatorship, rather than those good old republican values, and they preferred to avert their eyes, keeping themselves carefully ignorant of the army's essential contribution to their well-being. With the moral decay of republican resolve, the army became more and more a reserve of non-Romans, half-Romanized barbarian mercenaries and servants sent in the stead of freemen who couldn't be bothered. In the last days of the empire, men commonly mutilated themselves to escape service, though such a crime was--in theory--punishable by torture and death. Military levies, sent to the great estates, met such resistance that influential landowners were allowed to send money, instead of men, to the army. In 409, faced with an increasingly undefended frontier, the emperor announced the impossible: henceforth, slaves would be permitted, even encouraged, to enlist, and for their service they would receive a bounty and their freedom. By this point, it was sometimes difficult to tell the Romans from the barbarians--at least along the frontier.
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This line was also true during America's first draft into the military brought about by Lincoln. If you were rich you can buy your we out of the draft. Where the North enlisted/forced service on new arrivals from the masses that immigrated to America during the Civil War, mainly the Irish. Lincoln tore a nation into half and it seems to me that Mr. Obama has/may do the same with his wacky politics. Mr. Obama is being portrayed by the media like Lincoln. (There was a picture of him with a Stovehat on in the Newsday or the Daily News in New York not sure which?)
 
This is funny because it is Russia that's on the verge on collapse. That's what happens when you borrow to build and expand on expectations of $200 a barrel oil, and high commodity prices. The economy will be the Prime Minister's Waterloo.
 
Yep -- Russia is boned unless they get oil prices back up. Their economy is in shambles as it is. Pretty soon they'll be trying to sell nuclear missile subs to the highest bidder, again.
 
Screw Russia. Ive never come across a Russian Ive actually liked. But thats not really saying much as I don't like most of the people I meet anyway. :P
 
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I'm sure France would like the Louisiana purchase back too...
 
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This is bogus. If the states split up, they will split into autonomous groups, they will not be owned by anyone. Most people may be apathetic and uneducated, but they wouldn't stand for anything like this.
 
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