Russia Today TV is pushing the envelope. How long will the establishment tolerate this?

[anaconda]

Because it's not RT (which *does* use Russian) - it's "RT America", the English-language counterpart of RT.

And she did make a reference to their "Los Angeles studio." I should have realized that they probably broadcast in numerous countries and languages.

 

[torchbearer]

No, but there are a few that are not bankrolled by foreign governments. Anyone who believes the Kremlin is trying to promote liberty is officially out of their minds.

imagine having control of a station in communist russia, as an american, would you not put out the truth to the citizens, and would that not doubly work in your favor of taking down the regime in the USSR?

 

[mz10]

Boy, you're really just going to *insist* on reading peoples' minds and putting words into their mouths, aren't you?

Actually you seem to be doing that more than I am, seeing how I never accused anyone of saying those words verbatim. Just because no one said it doesn't mean that isn't the attitude of some people on this board.

As to the main point of our discussion, the Kremlin, by creating this network, has assumed that people in our movement are sheep who will flock to anyone throwing us red meat. Considering how angry we get when we are treated like sheep, I don't understand why this doesn't bother us more? The more we put our trust in something like RT, the more those powerful people behind it get to manipulate us.

 

[pcosmar]

The more we put our trust in something like RT, the more those powerful people behind it get to manipulate us.

Who is "putting trust" in RT?
A video was presented. Was it informative? Was it true?

Who produced it is less important than the content.

The point of RT is clearly for the Kremlin to encourage dissent against the U.S. government.

Are they. Or are they reporting on dissent?
If you hadn't noticed,, there is quite a lot, and very little coverage of it in US MSM.

[/QUOTE]

Just what content do you object to? Exactly.. other than the producer.

 

[Petar]

I'm guessing they haven't talked about Katyn Forest, either. So what?

There are plenty of things the US MSM doesn't talk about (and it doesn't talk about them for the same reasons).

This is why I don't restrict myself to just "approved" news sources. (And that goes for sources "approved" by *anyone* - including other libertarians.)

So are you going to tell me that other news sources are not shitty?

I just don't like when some people pretend that RT is really any better.

I do get what you are saying about being exposed to multiple shitty sources though.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Actually you seem to be doing that more than I am

Please quote any of my posts in this thread in which I have done so.

The only one in which I have done anything even remotely close to this was in my reply to Pete (post #38) - and that was quite clearly tongue-in-cheek.

seeing how I never accused anyone of saying those words verbatim.

What does "verbatim" have to do with anything? My point is not that you have "accused anyone of saying those words verbatim." It is precisely the opposite. You are taking what people actually *have* said "verbatim" and mischaracterizing their words based on what you imagine to be "the way some people around here think" (your own words from post #35).

You have been tilting with strawmen. Example: your implication below that anyone has suggested that "we put our trust in something like RT" - *no one* in this thread has done any such thing.

Just because no one said it doesn't mean that isn't the attitude of some people on this board.

Then perhaps you efforts would be better served by addressing yourself to the "people on this board" who actually *do* have that "attitude" - rather than characterizing anyone who finds RT America to be useful counter-propaganda as some kind of dupes or Kremlin-herded "sheep."

As to the main point of our discussion, the Kremlin, by creating this network, has assumed that people in our movement are sheep who will flock to anyone throwing us red meat.

I have no idea what they have or have not "assumed" about "people in our movement."

They are trumpeting points of view that fly in the face of what the American media-political establishment wants people to think.

They are sticking their fingers in the eyes of the American "powers that be."

I have no doubt whatsoever that they have ulterior motives for doing these things.

But again, I ask: so what?

Considering how angry we get when we are treated like sheep, I don't understand why this doesn't bother us more? The more we put our trust in something like RT, the more those powerful people behind it get to manipulate us.

Who in this thread has said ("verbatim" or otherwise) - or in any other way implied or suggested - that RT America is something we should "put our trust in"?

 

[Occam's Banana]

So are you going to tell me that other news sources are not shitty?

Nope. Not at all.

I just don't like when some people pretend that RT is really any better.

It isn't just a matter of any one source being "better" or "worse" than any of the others.

RT America covers stories and offers opinions that the US MSM will never touch. That's a good thing - regardless of their motives for doing it.

They *all* have their own agendas. FOX News, MSNBC, RT America, Al Jazeera, etc., etc. Triangulation is what it's all about.

I do get what you are saying about being exposed to multiple shitty sources though.

And RT America is a *much* better source for figuring out what the Kremlin wants Americans to think (or what they want Americans to think *about*) than any other source could ever possibly be. That's very useful information to have, even if RT America had nothing else to offer.

 

[pcosmar]

Does RT talk about Pussy Riot?

My guess is that they don't.

You guess wrong.
They have had quite a bit of coverage.. (a simple Google search would show you that)



And more recent,,
http://rt.com/news/medvedev-pussy-riot-verdict-978/

 

[Petar]

You guess wrong.
They have had quite a bit of coverage.. (a simple Google search would show you that)



And more recent,,
http://rt.com/news/medvedev-pussy-riot-verdict-978/

Just because I was wrong does not mean that you have to point it out to me.

You are an incredibly rude human-being.

 

[pcosmar]

Just because I was wrong does not mean that you have to point it out to me.

You are an incredibly rude human-being.

Sometimes.
I never claimed to be civilized,, only housebroken.

 

[Occam's Banana]

You guess wrong.
They have had quite a bit of coverage.. (a simple Google search would show you that)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCJelQmNR6I

And more recent,,
http://rt.com/news/medvedev-pussy-riot-verdict-978/

I'm guessing they haven't talked about Katyn Forest, either. So what?

And it looks like I was wrong about the Katyn Massacre as well. Looks like they've talked about it plenty.

(Though you could chalk that up to anti-Soviet-era sentiment & Stalin-disavowment.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS_trmkeBYc

 

[Petar]

And it looks like I was wrong about the Katyn Massacre as well. Looks like they've talked about it plenty.

(Though you could chalk that up to anti-Soviet-era sentiment & Stalin-disavowment.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS_trmkeBYc

I still don't see what having incorrect information is supposed to have to do with being "wrong".

You guys need to like update your paradigm on shit.

 

[KingNothing]

Anyone who doesn't want to be part of NATO is a friend of mine.

Wow. The Russians are NOT a better alternative. I cant believe it even needs to be said.

 

[AngryCanadian]

Wow. The Russians are NOT a better alternative. I cant believe it even needs to be said.

If the Russians are NOT a better alternative. Then whom are? The British? NATO/American NWO?

 

[pcosmar]

Wow. The Russians are NOT a better alternative. I cant believe it even needs to be said.

We live in a socialist country that routinely ignores the Constitution (Law of the Land).
We live in a Police State, The economy is destroyed. Our "representatives" don't represent us.

I could very likely live as comfortably in Russia. (if I could trade or move my property)

What exactly is the difference?

 

[Occam's Banana]

I still don't see what having incorrect information is supposed to have to do with being "wrong".

Huh? ...

Oh, OK! I get it now!

This is where someone is supposed to put one of those "not sure if serious" pics, isn't it?

You guys need to like update your paradigm on shit.

I'll get right on that ... just as soon as I figure out what the hell you're jabbering about.

 

[blustreeak]

Russia is better quality of life in many ways

In terms of raising a family, that's what I want to do, it is easier in Russia as long as you are self-employed, so, if your thinking about moving there, I say go for it. I've lived in Eastern Europe, I loved it so much I'm moving back in a few months as long as the world doesn't implode. I assume Russia is similar, but I've also heard the main Russian cities can be extremely expensive. For a woman I wouldn't recommend it, but for a young man with a little money its paradise. I say this just in terms of the fact the women are beautiful and dateable, you have good community life with your neighbors, people are outside more, people spend less time on their cell-phones, etc..

 

[tod evans]

Goooollly, (Gomer Pyle voice)

If'n only I wuz smart enough to decipher the shenanigans all media puts out...