RPI on the current Israel bombing of Syria

[kcchiefs6465]

And since it appears that some people missed it:

The cost of the Bibi-ista tactical alliance with al-Qaeda will sadly likely be high for the average Israeli who wants no part of this fight. Not unlike the ultimate cost of US support for Bin Laden against the Soviets which culminated in 9/11. The Israeli peace movement is a final hope...we are with you!

 

[TaftFan]

What does McAdams think of Hezbollah firing rockets into Israel? Just curious.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

What does McAdams think of Hezbollah firing rockets into Israel? Just curious.

Perhaps you should ask him.

 

[sailingaway]

What does McAdams think of Hezbollah firing rockets into Israel? Just curious.

I suspect, he'd think that was bad too, but less tied to us since we didn't pay for the rockets.

 

[robert68]

See, this is where I would get a bit irritated with Ron and some of his people. Israel is a sovereign nation, and can do whatever she wants. It's us constantly going into battle at their side which is what's wrong.

Israel isn’t a sovereign state. A sovereign state isn’t dependent on other states for its survival. Israel very much is and always has been.

 

[jmdrake]

See, this is where I would get a bit irritated with Ron and some of his people. Israel is a sovereign nation, and can do whatever she wants. It's us constantly going into battle at their side which is what's wrong.

A) As a sovereign citizen Daniel McAdams (the man who wrote the article) has a God given right of free speech to criticize a sovereign nation.

B) Did you read the freaking article? It was attacking the Washington Post because the Washington post was using Israel's attack on Syria as a way to get Obama to attack Syria.

C) Also the same article pointed out that the insurgents our government is illegally supporting are attacking the same targets Israel is attacking.

So don't give me this "Israel is a sovereign nation and can do what it wants" BS when our government is actively involved in what Israel is doing and there are agitators in our government that are pressuring it to go further. As long as the RPI isn't advocating violence against Israel, it should keep doing what it's doing.

 

[jmdrake]

That was a sophomoric piece full of speculation on flim-flam news report excerpts from Washington Post.

I guess I had a hope that the Ron Paul Institute would produce scholarly work that at least somewhat empirically showcased how his foreign policy is a wiser choice for our society. I've read a few decent items, but they always seem to be grumbling.

If it's just going to be more crunchy blogging about the terrible items about war, well I can read antiwar.com or lewrockwell.com for that.

I think it's too foggy to know what's going on in Syria right now without people there doing actual reporting. Leave speculations to blogs, not an Institute.

/my own grumble

I couldn't disagree more. The article clearly pointed out that it was attacking the Washington post reporting which was clearly meant to push the U.S. further towards war. That said, at this point the evidence is rather solid that Israel has indeed attacked Syria. And sure, it's attacking "Hezbollah" in Syria. But that's no different than if Iran attacked the MEK in the U.S. (a group that the U.S. still calls a terrorist group, but supports). Sorry if being out in front on some issues makes people "uncomfortable". When Sandy Hook happened so people were like "Don't start politicizing this! It's too early!" Bull! Our adversaries started politicizing and putting their spin on things on day one. And the liberty spin needs to go out on what's happening in Syria as it happens.

 

[jmdrake]

And since it appears that some people missed it:

The cost of the Bibi-ista tactical alliance with al-Qaeda will sadly likely be high for the average Israeli who wants no part of this fight. Not unlike the ultimate cost of US support for Bin Laden against the Soviets which culminated in 9/11. The Israeli peace movement is a final hope...we are with you!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to kcchiefs6465 again.

 

[WhistlinDave]

Overall I thought it was a good piece. The whole Israel thing drives me nuts. It's like heresy for anyone to say "We don't need to support Israel! Cut the umbilical cord!" It's such a tool used to manipulate people with, the Holy land, our "duty" to Israel, all of that, and the worst part is, Israel has much more brazen ambitions when it comes to war making because they know big Momma USA is standing right behind them, ready to back them up if they get in trouble. In fact it kind of looks like Israel may be a pawn of the US Empire at this point, whether they realize it or not.

I hope the US doesn't jump into this. That will only encourage Israel to do it again. Today it's Syria, someday soon I see WWIII starting with Israel attacking Iran if somebody doesn't slap some sense into somebody really quick.

 

[angelatc]

It sounds like you are the first to make that argument, not Frum. Why do you do that?

It is kind of hard to discuss Israel bombing Syria without discussing Israel.

I already commented on preferring neutral language. That part I agree with, it detracts and polarizes.

Why are ideologues always knee jerk apologists? You're blowing an otherwise throw-away comment totally out of proportion.

 

[Warlord]

This guy is one of the best FP writers around....

He wasn't able to write much because he was working for Ron wasn't he? Now it seems he's 'unleashed'.

 

[jmdrake]

Agreed. I think Ron always means well, but he trusts his old friends too much. That's where the newsletters came from, and that's where stuff like this comes from.

I don't think Israel is doing the right thing either, but it's none of our damn business what they do.

Our funding Israel makes it our business. Our going along with the apparent Israeli game plan of toppling Assad makes it our business. And for you to compare this to the newsletters is beyond disgusting. Ron and Rand Paul criticized military aid going to Egypt, and both were critical of the regime. Oh...but you can never criticize Israel! You can criticize America, South Africa, Iran, the Russians, oh but don't ever criticize Israel even when many Israelis hate what their government is doing! The RPI is doing exactly what it needs to do to move the liberty ball forward. Ron Paul could have won in 2012 if he had had Michael Sheuer go on the offensive with a TV commercial supporting Ron Paul. Oh...but that couldn't happen because M.S. criticized Israel. Screw that!

 

[mz10]

If it's just going to be more crunchy blogging about the terrible items about war, well I can read antiwar.com or lewrockwell.com for that.

"Crunchy blogging" probably the best description I've read to this point.

Like I said, Ron has too many personal loyalties that are hurting his influence. I've read all of his books, he sounds nothing like this when he writes. He is persuasive and logical, not bitter and full of hate. I realize that 20 years ago, libertarians were few and far between, and he really had no one else to go to besides Lew Rockwell and his ilk. But things are different now. RPI needs to be professional if they want to make a difference, not just be a back-corner-of-the-Internet blog.

 

[BullionBoy]

Get ready folks....it's coming!