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Who knows, Gary Johnson has the infamous Richard Nixon attack dog Roger Stone working for him, so maybe he'll be able to pull some dirty tricks to get him in. I doubt it though.
RPF hated pollster PPP shows Ron Paul best among GOP vs. Obama
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Who knows, Gary Johnson has the infamous Richard Nixon attack dog Roger Stone working for him, so maybe he'll be able to pull some dirty tricks to get him in. I doubt it though.
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I don't follow Johnson, I was more thinking of the unfairness of the process.
I'm pretty sure they had a list, trust me there would be.
CBS
NBC
Wall Street Journal
Fox
Rasmussen
Gallup
PPP
Survey USA
American Research Group
Reuters
Qunnipiac
ABC/Wash Post
McClatchy
Pew Research
Marist
GWU Battleground
Bloomberg
Associated Press
Even Newsweek and Time conduct polls in the general
Just to prove to you how bored PPP is and they love polling because that is what they do. Here is a poll they released today on polling about the Boston Red Sox http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_MA_032212.pdf
They will poll anything and everything, even when others don't poll.
They will poll anything and everything, even when others don't poll.
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I've tweeted it. Surprised Santorum does better than Romney too lololol
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Does anyone know the breakdown of the registered voting demographics? I remembered another poll by Reuters the other month that had Obama up too BUT polled 50% Democrats, Independents and Republicans made up the rest about evenly split but cannot remember who was polled more. That poll was so f'ed up because that is NOT the reality. It's more like 33D/33R/33I give or take a little from each. It's not 50D/28R/22I or something stupid like that. Actually, people are leaving the Democrat party in droves and at the point of 2010 elections, more people considered themselves to be Republicans.
So what is the break down of the PPP poll if anyone knows?
So what is the break down of the PPP poll if anyone knows?
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They have called almost everything accurately. Did they call the correct final voting percentages in their polls? No, because that is impossible when you have serious movement with 4 to 8 candidates like in Iowa, Minnesota and Nevada. If you release a poll with Santorum at say 18% the day before the voting but he was surging the last few days from say 10% and he ends up with 24%, is PPP wrong if they claimed Santorum is surging fast and could pull off a win? No, they were right but according to many here who cannot think and put variables together, PPP was off by 6 points and therefore are always off by that much. I'm sorry but it does not work like that.
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and when it hurts Ron because it sets expectations and can't be done accurately, we will hate them for it. I will anyhow. It impacts the narrative far too much. They have a right of speech, but I'd rather they aimed it at someone ELSE's best chance states. I'm partisan.
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They polled Ron WAY low in ALL his best states and the one they didn't poll, Maine, Ron did best of all in.
Such as a poll about how crazy Rick Santorum is
?Though you do have a point. As Romney is gaining momentum in the nomination process, they released their dog poll. About how Romney treats his dogs versus Obama treats his dogs. And then specifically mentioned the Romney with the dog on his roof incident in the poll and then asked whether that was humane or inhumane and also if that would change the likelihood of their vote. Clearly that was to make Romney look bad and Obama good. So their was a bit of an agenda there. They knew about this forever and didn't do it early in the nomination process.
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Because the left has the meme in them that Ron Paul would let the uninsured die because of the yell from the audience. That is still constantly cited by the left
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Okay, just what I thought. The PPP poll is off IMO by at least 5 points in favor of Obama.
Democrat 41%
Republican 37%
Independent/Other 22%
In 2008 election it was...
Democrat 37%
Republican 32%
Indy 29%
BUT BUT BUT in 2010 (Republican landslide) it was...
Democrat 35%
Republican 35%
Indy 29%
If one was to poll with more accurate voting registration demographics, we could easily conclude everyone but Newt would beat Obama today.
Democrat 41%
Republican 37%
Independent/Other 22%
In 2008 election it was...
Democrat 37%
Republican 32%
Indy 29%
BUT BUT BUT in 2010 (Republican landslide) it was...
Democrat 35%
Republican 35%
Indy 29%
If one was to poll with more accurate voting registration demographics, we could easily conclude everyone but Newt would beat Obama today.
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Because the left has the meme in them that Ron Paul would let the uninsured die because of the yell from the audience. That is still constantly cited by the left
The Economist/Yougov poll gave Ron the second highest favorables right after Romney (one point lower) but it was still less than 50%. But if they dislike the alternative more.....
That doesn't mean it isn't accurate. They do random sampling and people self describe themselves as that. They don't actively seek out 41% dems, 37% repubs, etc.
This is what the people they contact self describe themselves. They don't know prior to the fact. While it could be a bad sample..it could also be the fact more americans are identifying themselves as Democrats.
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Wrong!
First, more Americans are not identifying themselves as Democrats. Rather, they are leaving the Party in droves.
Second, if you want a more accurate presidential polling, you must come close to real demographics according to registration, gender and race. It might be true that the PPP "just happened" to get more Democrats to respond than those in the other two parties. Regardless, it's not a true make up of reality and who votes, hence my point is that PPP has overestimated Obama's approval numbers and his percentages when matched up to the other candidates.
Obama is not in the lead IMO.
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They underpolled indies by your numbers, which means Ron and Romney might beat Obama, if corrected, but I don't see Santa or Grinch doing so.
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