RP campaign doesnt contact Iowa media??

[ghemminger]

Well yeah, I'm certainly not arguing against threads/posts that argue for funding grassroots ventures instead of the official campaign. I'm arguing against negative posts (which outside of walt don't even bother substantiating their claim) that serve no use in a thread that serves no use in a subforum dedicated to useful discussion on how we can help him win.

Avalon - seriously if we want Ron Paul to win - HQ is grossly ineffcient - $1 dollar to a good grassroots effort = $100 to the campaign....hopefully we'll have enough for both

 

[Opulen]

I believe this is not the time for attacking the campaign HQ. Remember who is our enemy - the media.

 

[Avalon]

Avalon - seriously if we want Ron Paul to win - HQ is grossly ineffcient - $1 dollar to a good grassroots effort = $100 to the campaign....hopefully we'll have enough for both

Look, I already knocked that strawman down. That's not my argument.

 

[Avalon]

It's not about beng right - I could care less - it's about creating cultural change that creates an execution culture so that Ron can win.

Let's hear the full plan exalted leader.

 

[Flirple]

Drew Ivers and the Iowa campaign are competent.

From what I've seen Drew Ivers is the man.

 

[No1ButPaul08]

so what was the thing that he wasnt going to tell everyone at about 7:20 in the video?

He said he would tell the Iowa people but not the camera or others... what is it?

Anyone know?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wo7G6j6bi4

Probably the infomercial.

People are making a big deal over nothing. I quote, "and our grassroots continue to grow. I'm not going to share them with you right now, because we are keeping them confidential.

All in a very positive tone.

 

[walt]

Avalon,

thank you for asking....

the simple transparency issues - you have to tip your hat to the pr job that the huckabee folks have done - a candidate with no core value system and no money, yet with simple transparency and feeding the media easy to write content - i.e here's this campaign commercial we can't afford to run - we'll let you run it for free - they've taken the spoon fed stories on even have a press bus with their slim resources - yet our campaign whines they don't know what to spend the money on. It's because, as George suggests, they haven't hired the most passionate grassroots supporters (http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Newsroom.PressRelease&ID=469 )with a clue about old and new media who would kill themselves to get Ron elected (others might add more color here but I'll hold my toungue). They are hiring tons of people to answer phones - but they are not empowered to take grassroots feedback and effectively create new action because the culture of the campaign does not allow it (see pimpin turtle's campaign interview post http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=66262&highlight=pimpin+turtle )

Also, I'd actually start replying to the campaign suggestions in the suggestion box on this board with resolution of suggestion - privately at a minimum

If anyone from the campaign wants to take me up on implementing these suggestions (or organizing people to fix it, they can drop me a line in PM and I'll call them Thursday night after the caucus is over.

 

[hsmith]

I wouldn't put it so harshly - but guys seriously - grassroots is prolly 100x more effiecient - hence the next money bomb shoud be a grassroots money bomb

lew is just jaded.

 

[Avalon]

Walt, I'm asking you how you forsee, in detail, your cheerleading against the campaign on these forums (half of the posts I see from you!) eliciting the change you (at least pretend to) want it to have? Do you plan to stir up enough discontent so you can organize a phone bomb here against the campaign offices? Shut them down until they cede to your demands?

 

[walt]

Walt, I'm asking you how you forsee, in detail, your cheerleading against the campaign on these forums (half of the posts I see from you!) eliciting the change you (at least pretend to) want it to have? Do you plan to stir up enough discontent so you can organize a phone bomb here against the campaign offices? Shut them down until they cede to your demands?

I, as well as many others, have contacted the campaign about these types of issues many times before - and with the notable exception of the Philly Rally where they moved the location back to the orginal location - only after a major riot - they have not been responsive. In it's simplest sense, this forum is a giant group blog and when obvious concerns are raised they need to be responded to.

Transparency is the answer. Executing simple suggestions like please link to ronpaulaudio.com off ronpaul2008.com so people can listen to Ron's many speeches is the answer.

I think some people have become too fixated with acquiring depreciating currency and they'd be wise to learn from the pr efforts of mr huckabee's team.

 

[Avalon]

You're still not answering my question. I'm not asking why the campaign should do things your way. I'm not asking why you think what you do. I'm not asking for examples of where inciting riots worked in the past. I'm asking for you to provide with me a theoretical example (in detail) of how you think this constant negativity could help here and now in the grassroots forum. Please lay that out.

 

[jd603]

Ding! +5 points.

Stop believing the media. As if they ever gave us favors, and as if they ever told the truth.

 

[coffeewithchess]

No, the media is garbage.

Both are garbage.

 

[Just Come Home]

Some of you people are real idiots...

http://www.ronpaulaudio.com

Look at this website and tell me that the campaign hasn't been busy getting the word out.

 

[walt]

You're still not answering my question. I'm not asking why the campaign should do things your way. I'm not asking why you think what you do. I'm not asking for examples of where inciting riots worked in the past. I'm asking for you to provide with me a theoretical example (in detail) of how you think this constant negativity could help here and now in the grassroots forum. Please lay that out.

Well, let's see - people made fun of the he's catching on commercial and that got us coverage on the front page of salon.com - that is one scenario.

however, to get back to the issue that truly matters, the campaign should engage our community more.

 

[walt]

Some of you people are real idiots...

http://www.ronpaulaudio.com

Look at this website and tell me that the campaign hasn't been busy getting the word out.

ronpaulaudio.com is a grassroots site. I'm suggesting that the ronpaul2008.com site should link to it as it's an awesome resource.

 

[Avalon]

Well, let's see - people made fun of the he's catching on commercial and that got us coverage on the front page of salon.com - that is one scenario.

That's not a scenario, that's an example...which I specifically said I wasn't looking for. Are you saying that you don't really have a plan for spewing this stuff but you just "feel" it will work out for the best?

 

[Bradley in DC]

The campaign is full of incompetent people. Always has been always will be until Dr. Paul wins the nomination and the Party "flushes out" all the crap and brings in real political talent.

You have to remember Dr. Paul started this run thinking he was not going to go this far. He hired much of the same campaign staff as his 88 run. He should have brought back the Buchanan Brigade.

+1

 

[Bradley in DC]

I agree. I dont think the same can be said nationally though.

We are of like minds. Debbie is good too. Some of NH even.

 

[Avalon]

Great to have you join in Brad! Are you also looking forward to a headline like: "Ron Paul - Worst Campaign Ever, Say Supporters"?