Ron's Rise in California... Amazing, Amazing...

[morerocklesstalk]

They are deceived.

Why do you think Jesus says, Forgive them for they know not what they do?

But to the evil leaders, who do know what they are doing, he says, How will you escape being condemned to Hell?

Jesus warns over and over about the dangers of evil leaders, wolves in sheep's clothing. He tells us, You will know them by their fruit! A good tree cannot put forth evil fruit.

Don't get me wrong, I don't really disagree with you. I'm just saying you are dealing with people who believe that Jesus wants them to vote for a neocon. You are going to come across as the bad one, trying to manipulate.

I went to a Christian school so I have some experience with these kind of leaders that you're talking about.What I really noticed is that most evangelical Christians love being in some kind of moral majority. They will not stand being on the fringe, so to speak. I can see easily how the can switch from Huckster to McCain in a heartbeat.

 

[DeadtoSin]

Guys, people have been distracting from the Ron Paul Revolution a lot lately. (MayTheRon, I'm looking at you) I'm kind of tired of coming to these forums lately and hearing the rants against Christians. Apparently if the internets are true, I'm a moral policeman who wants to turn America into a theocracy and make everyone be a Christian.

Well, look, we aren't all like that. You guys that rant about Christians have scared away Christian supporters. I know two or three fellow Christians that have been scared away by the actions of a few of the supporters, not necessarily here. Why are you guys doing this? Its almost like you are trying to sabotage Ron Paul's campaign, and insult the very religion that Ron Paul is a part of.


If you are a non-Christian, and you feel that you cannot trust yourself enough to not rant about how stupid Christian people are, don't even think about hitting reply in a topic. Don't talk to that Christian person in real life about Ron Paul.

Maybe if you took the time to explain to these Christian people what a liberty-minded Christian would do in terms of government you could win them over. That'd certainly be a lot better than sitting here on the forums angsting over how the "Christian sheep" have stolen the election.


First of all, I'm kind of wary of us trying to get the federal government to do our job for us. Thats sort of what I feel like we as Christians are really doing in government as of lately. I'm not talking about voting against what you believe, and things like that. Definitely, vote for the candidate that fits your ideals the closest. However, we really push Congress and the Judiciary to enforce our morals.

I have a problem with this. First off, I think we should be careful about the way we go about bringing morality to this nation. Doing it with the iron first of the Federal government is a scary road to turn down. Just think of the abuses the government could get away with if they had not only the power but the moral high ground to do it as well!

Also, consider how non-Christians perceive us. If they are REQUIRED to act in the same fashion as we are, how are we any different from they are? Obviously we know the difference, but a non-Christian person would feel no compulsion to make any commitment, and they'd see no real reason.

It really goes back to the Pharisees and their desire to live a holy life by doing it themselves. Sure, if we had a law against lying, people wouldn't lie. But think about it, does that really make them more holy? Only the desire to live a life like Christ's life and your belief in Him saves you. So when we force our ideals on people, you've got to think, is that man trying to live holy..or is he trying to not get arrested/fined?

In any case, I've been rather unhappy with the Federal government's decisions on social issues. I mean, look at Roe vs. Wade. Do we really want something like THAT case on the books for all the things we hold dear to us as Christians?

We should be shining God's love, not trying to force the Federal govt to do so.

 

[Iwantchange]

He's starting to get traction and a lot of it. I hope he runs for Independent! I know he said he wouldn't, but there are a lot of people that would hope to see him make that move. With the traction we're finally getting, the extra time, and the amount of high profile people that would like to see him run. It would be a good move.

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

MayTheRon, time and time again you prove yourself ignorant on the subject of religion. Its too bad, because your little rants have incited this forum at times and probably driven away people looking to support Ron Paul who were Christians.

Sometimes I wonder about you, and I occasionally wonder if you aren't trying to sabotage the Ron Paul Revolution by scaring away Christians. Not all Christians want to be moral police, and you need to stop talking about Christians. Let us Christians deal with the Christians, you just talk about your fanciful ideas for Ron Paul's independent run that he will never do.

Go ahead and do that, distract from the Ron Paul Revolution by ranting about his independent run, and at least stop scaring away Christian supporters and distracting me from having to tear apart your arguments.

First of all, are you honestly going to tell me that Christians don't tend to want to be the moral police of people's lives? How many Christians do you think support Ron's goal of legalizing drugs? Please answer the question honestly.

Second, regarding an independent run, I hope you will apologize to me when he announces and this entire board backs him. What you call a "distraction" is what I call America's last hope for the near future - Ron Paul actually WINNING the White House this year.

 

[Molly1]

Don't get me wrong, I don't really disagree with you. I'm just saying you are dealing with people who believe that Jesus wants them to vote for a neocon. You are going to come across as the bad one, trying to manipulate.

I went to a Christian school so I have some experience with these kind of leaders that you're talking about.What I really noticed is that most evangelical Christians love being in some kind of moral majority. They will not stand being on the fringe, so to speak. I can see easily how the can switch from Huckster to McCain in a heartbeat.

Jesus came across as the 'bad one,' too.

They killed him, remember?

There is nothing new about the purposeful deception of Christians by the few for their own ends. It is exactly what Jesus was railing against in the Bible.

They weren't called Christians in those days; they were simply the masses of people trying to do the right thing and being continually misled by their leaders.

Why do you think Jesus calls them sheep?

Christians need to be told the truth, but only God can open their eyes.

Christians, follow the good shepherd! He is your only leader.

 

[nate895]

First of all, are you honestly going to tell me that Christians don't tend to want to be the moral police of people's lives? How many Christians do you think support Ron's goal of legalizing drugs? Please answer the question honestly.

Second, regarding an independent run, I hope you will apologize to me when he announces and this entire board backs him. What you call a "distraction" is what I call America's last hope for the near future - Ron Paul actually WINNING the White House this year.

The only things most of us Christians want is for people to do whatever freaky things you're gonna do in your own home, and not harm anyone or anyone else's property in the process. That includes fetuses.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

All I have to say is I hope undecided voters aren't coming here and seeing all this in-fighting. At times, we can be our own worst enemies.

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

The only things most of us Christians want is for people to do whatever freaky things you're gonna do in your own home, and not harm anyone or anyone else's property in the process. That includes fetuses.

Why not answer my question about legalizing drugs?

 

[morerocklesstalk]

Jesus came across as the 'bad one,' too.

They killed him, remember?

There is nothing new about the purposeful deception of Christians by the few for their own ends. It is exactly what Jesus was railing against in the Bible.

They weren't called Christians in those days; they were simply the masses of people trying to do the right thing and being continually misled by their leaders.

Christians need to be told the truth, but only God can open their eyes.

But that is a whole different issue than an election, which is what I am focused on especially in California.

 

[morerocklesstalk]

All I have to say is I hope undecided voters aren't coming here and seeing all this in-fighting. At times, we can be our own worst enemies.

I agree. We are our own worst enemy. The Republican party is all about exterior and perception (i.e. Arnold).

 

[nate895]

Why not answer my question about legalizing drugs?

I said to do it in your home, preferably in a basement so no child has to see it, and to not get in and drive a car when your too high to figure out the sum of 2 and 2.

 

[Lord Xar]

What does religion have to do with California's upswing in support?

 

[RevolutionSD]

From the latest Field Poll in CA. Huck is actually down, but Ron's rise has been very steady and clear. The more people learn about Ron, the more they like what they hear. I think Ron's advertising out here is paying off! He's been advertising heavily on Rush, OReilly, and Coast to Coast, just to name a few major radio shows.

The longer we keep this race going, the more people will flock to Ron.

I JUST saw another poll (CNN I think?) that had RP at 11% in CA!
10-11% is HUGE. What was he polling in Maine when he got 19%? Let's equal or BETTER Maine's totals!

 

[nate895]

I JUST saw another poll (CNN I think?) that had RP at 11% in CA!
10-11% is HUGE. What was he polling in Maine when he got 19%? Let's equal or BETTER Maine's totals!

Maine's last poll was in November and didn't include Ron Paul, but did have a large 10% other, with 51% undecided.

 

[Molly1]

But that is a whole different issue than an election, which is what I am focused on especially in California.

No it's not.

In 1992, the neocons discovered the huge voting block that is now called the 'Christian right.'

They manipulated the leaders of this voting block to persuade the Christians to vote as a group behind one candidate.

How do you think the current administration got into power?

They are doing it again in the form of Huckabee who if anyone would even scratch the surface of this man they would easily see he does not in anyway resemble our Lord, Jesus Christ.

But, the Christian sheep are told to vote for him because he is a "Christian."

This is how deceived they are. The man lies continually.

Ron Paul is the only real Christian running for office. He is the only candidate who has witnessed that Jesus is the prince of Peace, and he is the only one who produces good fruit.

Christians, You will know them by their fruit!

 

[deehrler]

Christians, Jews, Muslims are all alike. They are a flock of sheep led by the highest bidder. So forget it.

THINK WHAT IS INSIDE OF YOU! That is what counts.

Am I an atheist? No. But I strongly believe that religions begin with great intentions and get twisted as time goes on. We are on the the latter end of that cycle.

Pray, but pray within.

 

[Lord Xar]

No it's not.

In 1992, the neocons discovered the huge voting block that is now called the 'Christian right.'

They manipulated the leaders of this voting block to persuade the Christians to vote as a group behind one candidate.

How do you think the current administration got into power?

They are doing it again in the form of Huckabee who if anyone would even scratch the surface of this man they would easily see he does not in anyway resemble our Lord, Jesus Christ.

But, the Christian sheep are told to vote for him because he is a "Christian."

This is how deceived they are. The man lies continually.

Ron Paul is the only real Christian running for office. He is the only candidate who has witnessed that Jesus is the prince of Peace, and he is the only one who produces good fruit.

Christians, You will know them by their fruit!

CAN WE GET OFF OF THE RELIGIOUS THING.

IF the RELIGIOUS RIGHT IS AS POWERFUL AS YOU SAY and behind HUCKABEE - HE'D BE WINNING.

THE MEDIA and REPUBLICANS have a BETTER AVENUE OF VOTERS -- SHEEPLE!!

HOW ELSE IS McCain winning???

 

[Lord Xar]

BTW -- CALL4PAUL has been reaching california voters for weeks now. I wonder if this is one of the reasons (in addition to the great grassroots activity) why in the upswing of Support? Curious.

 

[Molly1]

Christians, Jews, Muslims are all alike. They are a flock of sheep led by the highest bidder. So forget it.

THINK WHAT IS INSIDE OF YOU! That is what counts.

Am I an atheist? No. But I strongly believe that religions begin with great intentions and get twisted as time goes on. We are on the the latter end of that cycle.

Pray, but pray within.

Christians are a flock of sheep who should know they have only one leader.

They need to remember this:

10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.


11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

12But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

--John 10

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Alright, let's stop the religious talk. I'm not the one who brought it up.