Ron's Rise in California... Amazing, Amazing...

[morerocklesstalk]

The West Coast is really where Ron Paul needs to stay. He won 2nd here in Nevada and people in California, Oregon, and Washington are very open minded, unlike many of the states of the East Coast where they seem to prefer established names (i.e. New Hampshire).

 

[akalucas]

if you look here http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ca/california_republican_primary-258.html you can see that 10% Paul got in one poll is an outlier compared to rest of the data and the newer polls. Three polls fromt this week (zogby, suffolk, mason-dixon) show hims at 3%, 4%, 5% respectively and having a average of 5.4%. Hopefully we can garner some wins in counties to get some delegates, though

 

[Molly1]

The neocons took over the Republican party in 1992 by manipulating the Christians.

The neocons themselves do not believe in anything other then their own power and control over the world. They are psychopaths who don't care who gets hurt in their sociopathic drive for dominion. They are two bit con artists, using the power of manipulation to deceive people.

Christians need to wake up! The Holy Spirit has given them the Spirit of truth. They need to go back to basics and study the life of Jesus and the teachings of Jesus in the Bible. And, the Republican conservatives need to remember that it is our Constitution that guides us in our political life, a document given to us as our birthright.

This is some of what Jesus said to the 'neocons' of his day:


27"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. 28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

33"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, .....

--Matthew 23

 

[morerocklesstalk]

if you look here http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ca/california_republican_primary-258.html you can see that 10% Paul got in one poll is an outlier compared to rest of the data and the newer polls. Three polls fromt this week (zogby, suffolk, mason-dixon) show hims at 3%, 4%, 5% respectively and having a average of 5.4%. Hopefully we can garner some wins in counties to get some delegates, though

They had Ron Paul at around 5-6% here in Nevada.

 

[morerocklesstalk]

The neocons took over the Republican party in 1992 by manipulating the Christians.

The neocons themselves do not believe in anything other then their own power and control over the world. They are psychopaths who don't care who gets hurt in their sociopathic drive for dominion. They are two bit con artists, using the power of manipulation to deceive people.

Christians need to wake up! The Holy Spirit has given them the Spirit of truth. They need to go back to basics and study the life of Jesus and the teachings of Jesus in the Bible. And, the Republican conservatives need to remember that it is our Constitution that guides us in our political life, a document given to us as our birthright.

This is some of what Jesus said to the 'neocons' of his day:


27"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. 28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

33"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, .....

--Matthew 23

I hope you don't use this to persuade potential voters.

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

The neocons took over the Republican party in 1992 by manipulating the Christians.

The neocons themselves do not believe in anything other then their own power and control over the world. They are psychopaths who don't care who gets hurt in their sociopathic drive for dominion. They are two bit con artists, using the power of manipulation to deceive people.

Christians have their own problems, like wanting to the "moral police" of other people's lives.

 

[nate895]

Christians have their own problems, like wanting to the "moral police" of other people's lives.

I'm only against abortion and gay marriage, as is Dr. Paul, I believe. These issues should be left to the states. Other than those things, you people can do whatever the he** you want.

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

I'm only against abortion and gay marriage, as is Dr. Paul, I believe. These issues should be left to the states. Other than those things, you people can do whatever the he** you want.

Ron Paul does not believe the government should have anything to do with marriage. He is not against gay marriage.

 

[akalucas]

They had Ron Paul at around 5-6% here in Nevada.

ya, but that was a caucus along with Louisinana and Maine. Calif. is a closed primary and unfortunately Paul doesnt fair well in these type states. Still hoping for the best though and hoping all the houses i went to as a precinct captain vote for Paul.

 

[Molly1]

I hope you don't use this to persuade potential voters.

Why do you say that?

The Christians need to hear the truth, that they are being manipulated by hypocrites for their own ends.

Why do you think Jesus was killed? He was challenging the evil people in power.

Matthew 23 is God speaking to them directly.

 

[dblee]

Christians have their own problems, like wanting to the "moral police" of other people's lives.

I'm pretty sick of you.

 

[Molly1]

Christians have their own problems, like wanting to the "moral police" of other people's lives.

No. They are being led by wolves in sheep's clothing. They are deceived.

 

[morerocklesstalk]

Why do you say that?

The Christians need to hear the truth, that they are being manipulated by hypocrites for their own ends.

Why do you think Jesus was killed? He was challenging the evil people in power.

Matthew 23 is God speaking to them directly.

Because you come across as crazy.

The only thing harder than persuading someone that they are "wrong" about politics is that they are "wrong" on religion.

 

[Molly1]

Because you come across as crazy.

The only thing harder than persuading someone that they are "wrong" about politics is that they are "wrong" on religion.

Only 'crazy' to someone who is secular in their orientation.

A Christian, if they have the Holy Spirit, will understand.

I don't talk like this to non Christians.

I am talking directly to Christians who have been sorely used and misled.

It is up to God whether or not the scales drop from their eyes.

 

[DeadtoSin]

MayTheRon, time and time again you prove yourself ignorant on the subject of religion. Its too bad, because your little rants have incited this forum at times and probably driven away people looking to support Ron Paul who were Christians.

Sometimes I wonder about you, and I occasionally wonder if you aren't trying to sabotage the Ron Paul Revolution by scaring away Christians. Not all Christians want to be moral police, and you need to stop talking about Christians. Let us Christians deal with the Christians, you just talk about your fanciful ideas for Ron Paul's independent run that he will never do.

Go ahead and do that, distract from the Ron Paul Revolution by ranting about his independent run, and at least stop scaring away Christian supporters and distracting me from having to tear apart your arguments.

 

[morerocklesstalk]

They have been used, but at their own will and enjoyence.

 

[thexjib]

No, that's the amazing part! They changed the rules to make CA a closed primary.

In a general election, I bet we could pull massive numbers, especially if there are no other anti-war, anti-illegal candidates.

in the general we would pull massive #'s in ca

 

[akalucas]

you know how many people i've heard on radio, tv and on the streets that say Ron Paul comes of as crazy. Thats not a true indicator. Many Christian have lost their way but they can still come around. I'm a Christian and I came around watching the same youtube videos.

 

[Molly1]

They have been used, but at their own will and enjoyence.

They are deceived.

Why do you think Jesus says, Forgive them for they know not what they do?

But to the evil leaders, who do know what they are doing, he says, How will you escape being condemned to Hell?

Jesus warns over and over about the dangers of evil leaders, wolves in sheep's clothing. He tells us, You will know them by their fruit! A good tree cannot put forth evil fruit.

 

[ronpaulwinna]

All I can say that california is going to a mess on Tuesday. Half the vote are mail in ballots, those went out during the beginning of January. Since then 3 people dropped out who had substantial footholds in California: Hunter, Thompson and the Ghoul. So basically people who voted for those people which are a lot, lost their votes.

Plus since the rules change what the GOP is doing is very amuzing because that was supposed to be a state ballot prop which failed. So basically if we can take liberal districts where there are so few republicans (which is going to be like playing whack a mole) then we can make McCains win into a footnote!!