RonPaul.com folks acquire RonPaul2008.com domain. Incompetent CFL staff let it expire

[amonasro]

We can't expect to have a fighting chance in 2012 if CFL is this incompetent. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but seriously. This would take like 10 minutes. If we are kings of the internet like everyone says, they'd better start acting like it.

 

[LibertyEagle]

C4L has not and is not running Dr. Paul's political campaigns. They have no more to do with it than Ron's other organization, the Young Americans for Liberty.

 

[malkusm]

Bump for the incompetence of the CFL staff

Seriously, I'm so sick of backhanded, off-the-cuff comments that imply that C4L is grossly incompetant and useless. How did such a useless and incompetent organization get 670 volunteers and dominate CPAC, hold forums on anti-war conservatism, the horrors of Lincoln, and state nullification?

Seriously, a lot of you turn a blind eye to all the good that C4L has been doing and continues to do, and have become nothing more than sharks smelling blood in the water, WANTING C4L to be destroyed. Constructive criticism is good, but praise and support for positive action should go alongside it.

Besides, did C4L ever own this domain name to begin with?

 

[qh4dotcom]

Besides, did C4L ever own this domain name to begin with?

According to RonPaul.com they did...read the 1st post above..after the Ron Paul presidential bid ended in June 2008 the domain ronpaul2008.com redirected to the CFL site.

I mean even whoever registered that domain before it was used for Ron Paul's campaign in 2006 or 2007 was incompetent....that person could have paid for a 10 year registration to avoid the possibility of such a valuable domain expiring.

Come on man, you gotta admit that letting such a valuable domain expire was incompetent.

 

[qh4dotcom]

Bump for the incompetence of the CFL staff

 

[qh4dotcom]

RonPaul.com also owns the official YouTube. Is that why?

This website (could be one guy) has a lot of power now.

Yes they own the official Ron Paul 2008 channel. CFL staff forgot about that too.

 

[CasualApathy]

Yes they own the official Ron Paul 2008 channel. CFL staff forgot about that too.

How would they gain ownership over a youtube channel? It's not like those expire and can be sold...?

 

[steph3n]

How would they gain ownership over a youtube channel? It's not like those expire and can be sold...?

forgot pass with account on the domain, but it is not that big of a deal that people are making it out to be.

 

[Jeremy]

I bet YouTube handed it over since the account name is the domain that they now own.

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

Does anyone know who manages the RonPaul2008dotcom YouTube Channel now?

 

[BUSHLIED]

I think the OP has a point. There is no room for error in Presidential elections. Everything must be like a well oiled machine. The "attention to detail" is probably the most important aspect to running an effective campaign, and there is anything that I would criticize about Ron Paul's campaign staff, it would the lack of attention to detail and just the general lack of doing basic things, easy things right. The fact is that you don't have "professionals" running the campaign, you have the "true-blue" Ron Paul supporter, that probably worked for his congressional campaign, 07-08 staff, and then C4L..which came from the 07-08 staff...so you basically have about 75% of the original staff back on 2012 again.

I would let go...and try to make peace with it...you are most likely going to see the same amount of mistake from last time...the question is HOW much does it hurt Ron...I think it is difficult to quantify.

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

The fact is that you don't have "professionals" running the campaign, you have the "true-blue" Ron Paul supporter, that probably worked for his congressional campaign, 07-08 staff, and then C4L..which came from the 07-08 staff...so you basically have about 75% of the original staff back on 2012 again.

You don't know what you are talking about here, sorry.

 

[pmbug]

..after the Ron Paul presidential bid ended in June 2008 the domain ronpaul2008.com redirected to the CFL site..

Any domain owner can redirect their domain to any site. It doesn't mean that the target and redirected site are both owned by the same entity. The C4L is a non-profit org. Not sure they are in the business of acquiring or owning political campaign domains.

Who registered the domain and was the legal owner? Some campaign staffer? Maybe one that wasn't re-hired for '12? Details like this should not fall through the crack. The '12 campaign organization should be all over this stuff.

 

[Krugerrand]

According to RonPaul.com they did...read the 1st post above..after the Ron Paul presidential bid ended in June 2008 the domain ronpaul2008.com redirected to the CFL site.

I mean even whoever registered that domain before it was used for Ron Paul's campaign in 2006 or 2007 was incompetent....that person could have paid for a 10 year registration to avoid the possibility of such a valuable domain expiring.

Come on man, you gotta admit that letting such a valuable domain expire was incompetent.

Old .. but just to point out, just because it re-directed to CFL does not mean they own the domain name. I could buy any available domain and bounce it to CFL.

 

[musicmax]

You don't know what you are talking about here, sorry.

What evidence of the professionalism of the 2012 staff vs. the 2008 staff do you have? I visited the 2008 HQ - did you? If so, where was it (and by that I don't mean its address, I mean its location relative to the closest adjacent business)? When I went there they were preparing for the staff Christmas party even though there were 3,000+ unread messages in the campaign's general (Hotmail!) Inbox. His 2012 Treasurer is the same as his 2008 Treasurer: his Daughter Lori Pyeatt. His primary campaign operative is his granddaughter's husband, Jesse Borat Bruno Benton, another '08 holdover.

Ron had some great answers in the last 45 minutes Monday, but he lost that debate two minutes in when he garbled and grumbled his way through an unprepared opening statement wearing a suit that needs its sleeves shortened by about three inches and its collar properly fitted.

Here is what a SUIT looks like (and it's ON SALE TOO!):

http://www.brooksbrothers.com/IWCat...olor=GREY&sort_by=&sectioncolor=&sectionsize=

 

[BUSHLIED]

What evidence of the professionalism of the 2012 staff vs. the 2008 staff do you have? I visited the 2008 HQ - did you? If so, where was it (and by that I don't mean its address, I mean its location relative to the closest adjacent business)? When I went there they were preparing for the staff Christmas party even though there were 3,000+ unread messages in the campaign's general (Hotmail!) Inbox. His 2012 Treasurer is the same as his 2008 Treasurer: his Daughter Lori Pyeatt. His primary campaign operative is his granddaughter's husband, Jesse Borat Bruno Benton, another '08 holdover.

Ron had some great answers in the last 45 minutes Monday, but he lost that debate two minutes in when he garbled and grumbled his way through an unprepared opening statement wearing a suit that needs its sleeves shortened by about three inches and its collar properly fitted.

Here is what a SUIT looks like (and it's ON SALE TOO!):

http://www.brooksbrothers.com/IWCat...olor=GREY&sort_by=&sectioncolor=&sectionsize=

So far you got that right...much of the key staff appear to be as you state "hold overs." The campaign needs to hire "professionals." By that I mean people who have made careers in politics and that's all they do. Typically they would have or are currently working in positions such as Directors, Fundraising Executives, Accountants, Marketing Directors, Office managers for political organizations etc...and having family work for you is bad news, you are not going to fire family, are you?

One example would be for Bruce Fien or Tom Woods to be hired as "policy consultants" to write policy speeches for Paul..one on foreign policy and the other on the economy. Both Bruce and Tom are articulate and experienced professionals. They would also be following the news and brief Paul on issues to talk about in his speeches in Iowa and NH...Also, they could probably use about 30 political science interns or graduates to staff the HQs to respond to phone calls and answer emails... Also, what about research? Where is the research arm of the campaign that is perusing through voter data in the individual districts of each county in Iowa and NH...there are GOP voting records and demographics that need to be examined.

I will say that one positive decision that reflects this is the NH Campaign Chair hire of State Senator Jim Forsythe...although he is a Freshman and appears to be young...still it is a start in the right direction. The question is how much influence will he have with NH voters...he won his primary with roughly 3,000 votes, one would think that Ron Paul would win Jim's district and that's really important to pick up a delegate.

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

I visited the 2008 HQ - did you? If so, where was it (and by that I don't mean its address, I mean its location relative to the closest adjacent business)?

A dry cleaner if I remember. Yes, I agree that there were problems in 2008. But if you can't see the differences between what has been going on in 2008 and 2012 so far, I don't even know what to tell you.


When did Ron start campaigning in Iowa in 2007? More specifically, when did he open up a HQ there? Answer that question please.

His 2012 Treasurer is the same as his 2008 Treasurer: his Daughter Lori Pyeatt. His primary campaign operative is his granddaughter's husband, Jesse Borat Bruno Benton, another '08 holdover.

I don't think you understand the role of Treasurer in the campaign, and did you see what Jesse Benton just recently did in the press? If not you should.

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

So far you got that right...much of the key staff appear to be as you state "hold overs." The campaign needs to hire "professionals." By that I mean people who have made careers in politics and that's all they do. Typically they would have or are currently working in positions such as Directors, Fundraising Executives, Accountants, Marketing Directors, Office managers for political organizations etc...and having family work for you is bad news, you are not going to fire family, are you?

Have you seen the complete staff roster? I tend to doubt it because I don't think anyone has. Before you speak, you might want to know that of which you speak.

One example would be for Bruce Fien or Tom Woods to be hired as "policy consultants" to write policy speeches for Paul..one on foreign policy and the other on the economy.

You need to go read the threads that have been written explaining why this will never happen.

Also, what about research? Where is the research arm of the campaign that is perusing through voter data in the individual districts of each county in Iowa and NH...there are GOP voting records and demographics that need to be examined.

You do realize that a well run campaign doesn't share their strategy and operations with everyone, right?

I will say that one positive decision that reflects this is the NH Campaign Chair hire of State Senator Jim Forsythe...although he is a Freshman and appears to be young...still it is a start in the right direction. The question is how much influence will he have with NH voters...he won his primary with roughly 3,000 votes, one would think that Ron Paul would win Jim's district and that's really important to pick up a delegate.

Do a direct comparison between Jun 2008 and Jun 2012 and let's see how they stack up thus far.

 

[qh4dotcom]

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Domain Name: ronpaul2012.com
Created on: 3/23/2007 1:59:56 PM
Expires on: 3/23/2013 1:59:56 PM
Last Updated on: 5/4/2011 9:39:14 PM

I hope someone renews the ronpaul2012.com domain before March 23, 2013 though my gut feeling is that it will be allowed to expire again...come on, it only costs $10 per year.

 

[libertybrewcity]

RonPaul2008.com links to ronpaul2012.net, not ronpaul.com