Ron Threatens Independent Run Tonight. An Offer Mitt Can't Refuse

[slacker921]

It won't happen. Paul won't join them. The neo-conservative GOP is going down in flames. They'll hand the keys to the White House over to Hillary before they let Paul sneak in even as a VP.

 

[RickyJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUOuptjcSP8
At this point, RP sits down with Mitt and says: Give me the VP slot or I run independent and you lose the White House.

Think again! Ron Paul is running for President, not VP. If anything he will tell Romney to get out and support him. He won't offer Romney VP becasue of his views on the war. Ron Paul will either be the next President or Hillary will. Romney has no chance. He is wasting his money.

 

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+ Infinity

THATS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT!!

If the GOP doesnt wake the FUCK up, and realize that they need Ron in order to stay alive, then they can go the way of the dinosaur and become extinct. They would DESERVE it.

If Romney gets the nomination, then the Dems win GUARANTEED. And if thats what happens, then the GOP would deserve to sleep in the bed they made.

The truth is that the GOP needs Dr. Paul more than Dr. Paul needs the GOP. This is THEIR ass on the line. And if they cant get their shit together then they deserve extinction as a political party.

Democratic Party = Republican Party

Your line of thinking regarding these two parties being independent and in competition with each other is the fatal trap that average Americans are caught in. They appear ideologically different, but the difference is only on the surface. At the core they are the same. There is the appearance of an epic struggle between them, but the public isn't shown that the battle being waged is being done so on the deck of the Titanic.

If the Democrats win, the Republicans win. Ron Paul is the common enemy of both parties' leadership. As long as the winner is Clinton, Romney, Obama, McCain, Edwards, Huckabee or Giuliani wins, both parties win. The "frontrunner" Democrats and Republicans are not a threat to each other at all. If ANY of them win, Free America loses. The only threat to those two parties' grip on power is a true Constitutionalist.

It's Ron Paul vs. ALL of the rest of them. Forget the idea of Ron teaming up with any of them. Forget the idea of the Republican Party getting scared and caring if they lose the White House and thinking that Ron Paul can play on that fear politically and make demands.

Anyone who believes otherwise is assisting with their own enslavement by helping to perpetuate the Republicans vs. Democrats trap.

 

[Molly1]

Democratic Party = Republican Party

Your line of thinking regarding these two parties being independent and in competition with each other is the fatal trap that average Americans are caught in. They appear ideologically different, but the difference is only on the surface. At the core they are the same. There is the appearance of an epic struggle between them, but the public isn't shown that the battle being waged is being done so on the deck of the Titanic.

If the Democrats win, the Republicans win. Ron Paul is the common enemy of both parties' leadership. As long as the winner is Clinton, Romney, Obama, McCain, Edwards, Huckabee or Giuliani wins, both parties win. The "frontrunner" Democrats and Republicans are not a threat to each other at all. If ANY of them win, Free America loses. The only threat to those two parties' grip on power is a true Constitutionalist.

It's Ron Paul vs. ALL of the rest of them. Forget the idea of Ron teaming up with any of them. Forget the idea of the Republican Party getting scared and caring if they lose the White House and thinking that Ron Paul can play on that fear politically and make demands.

Anyone who believes otherwise is assisting with their own enslavement by helping to perpetuate the Republicans vs. Democrats trap.

+10000

 

[Maltheus]

Quit thinking in terms of the Democrats and Republicans being independent and competitors. IT"S A TRAP! That is only true for the average members of those parties. At the top they are the same party. As long as they keep the people divided relatively down the middle with the illusion of an ideological difference, the status quo remains unscathed. It's irrelevant which faction (Republican or Democrat) wins. As long as it's Clinton, Romney, Obama, McCain, Edwards, Huckabee or Giuliani, then the American people lose.

All of you who think you can "teach the GOP a lesson" by splitting the vote and putting a Democrat in the White House are falling for the scam.

I agree that they're all the same and it doesn't matter to them who gets elected, but it does to the people. The Republican base does not want Hillary elected. The Democrat base wants an end to the war. Can you imagine Hillary vs. a McCain/Lieberman ticket? We wouldn't even have to canvas, they'd come to us from both sides.

We would most definitely be teaching the party a lesson by splitting the vote. Most of these caucuses are ground up organizations who have no interaction with the puppet masters. If they leave and let the GOP rot (like they have been), then that fictional balance gets messed up. The scam (as you put it) only works as long as there is the perception of a see-saw between the two parties. The destruction of the GOP will force them to reorganize. They'll most likely do that by reluctantly adopting watered down versions of some of Pauls' positions.

 

[joelfarm]

Never thought of this but....

I would vote for that ticket. If he offered to be V.P. to anyone else I could not vote for it.

Same for me. Otherwise, I will not waste my time to vote for ANY of the four horseman.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

why is it even ASSumed that ron paul would be v.p. in that "idea"?

Ron Paul 4 President and if he wants mittens as a v.p. (doubt it) then that is his decision.

Stop searching for a reason to justify ron paul losing before the battle is fought.

 

[tbarnett17]

Well... Idk. Seems today the current VP runs the show and Bush is a stooge. Maybe ole'Mitt could be the stooge and RP could run the show! -Tyler

 

[fmontez]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUOuptjcSP8

It looks like the party is about to get behind Romney in a major way. Watch and see.

If this happens, Rudy and Huckleberry Hound are out immediately. McCain gets his ass handed to him on Feb 5 and drops out. All that's left is Ron and Mitt.

At this point, RP sits down with Mitt and says: Give me the VP slot or I run independent and you lose the White House.

Ron can bring the four things Mitt and the GOP need: Young people new to the party, MONEY, grassroots enthusiasm, and appeal with independents.

If Romney refuses to give RP the Vice Presidency, we run independent and teach the GOP a lesson they will never forget.

Forget VP. Ron Paul as Secretary of the Treasury! This is doable folks...

 

[EvilNight]

I have a better idea.

Ron Paul as President. Accept no substitutes. Accept no negotiations.

 

[Babylon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUOuptjcSP8

It looks like the party is about to get behind Romney in a major way. Watch and see.

If this happens, Rudy and Huckleberry Hound are out immediately. McCain gets his ass handed to him on Feb 5 and drops out. All that's left is Ron and Mitt.

At this point, RP sits down with Mitt and says: Give me the VP slot or I run independent and you lose the White House.

Ron can bring the four things Mitt and the GOP need: Young people new to the party, MONEY, grassroots enthusiasm, and appeal with independents.

If Romney refuses to give RP the Vice Presidency, we run independent and teach the GOP a lesson they will never forget.

Great plan.

Except for one problem.

Ron Paul as an independent would draw less than 2% (at most) of the vote.
At most.

He'll be out of money within a couple weeks.
That's a fact.

And, without money, he will be gone after Feb 5.

The more states he loses -- the more debates he screws up -- the less money he will get.
He'll be lucky to pull in $5,000 a day after the losses he will suffer on Feb. 5.

 

[UziSprayTF]

Guys...

Guys I know you hate to admit it but Romney would never make Ron VP. Ever. NEVER, EVER, EVER. I would want him too, but it just won't happen.

If you have taken statistics you will get what I'm talking about.

If our mean (average) enthusiam is say 8 points out of 10 it means we are going to have alot more people on the tails of the bell curve that are far over 10 out of 10. They probably hang out at stormfront. They would do everything in their power to see that RP was the president. EVERYTHING. Don't act all surprised, you know it's true. The people at the top of the GOP know it too. Even if they were comfortable with RP as VP, they know the risk of a hit is too high. Like 1000x more likely. I know that Ron would never condon that, but like I said, those stormfronters are fucking crazy.

 

[PatriotG]

I don't think Ron's interested in being Mitt's VP.

I dont want to see a President Romney Period.

It's Paul or doom.

I would love to see Paul Win the top slot

And see alot of us in congress in 2008!

 

[N13]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUOuptjcSP8

It looks like the party is about to get behind Romney in a major way. Watch and see.

If this happens, Rudy and Huckleberry Hound are out immediately. McCain gets his ass handed to him on Feb 5 and drops out. All that's left is Ron and Mitt.

At this point, RP sits down with Mitt and says: Give me the VP slot or I run independent and you lose the White House.

Ron can bring the four things Mitt and the GOP need: Young people new to the party, MONEY, grassroots enthusiasm, and appeal with independents.

If Romney refuses to give RP the Vice Presidency, we run independent and teach the GOP a lesson they will never forget.

This time, I'm with you on that possibility mon.

Plus, RP can shape Romney like clay.

 

[dbhohio47]

Why would Mitt Romney, an establishment republican candidate, want to have anything to do with Ron Paul?! By the GOP's way of thinking, RP is the anti-christ....their worst nightmare....a rebel-rouser that wants people to wake up and think for themselves. Trust dirknb when he tells you that that will NEVER happen.

You have to look at the situation from an understanding of the hierarchy of power. A rather oversimplified explanation works like this:

The most powerful group (the power elite) are skimming the cream off the top and don't really care which party is in power.... they will make their money regardless. Their only motivation is to ensure that the system continues to function as designed. These interests include the global corporations, the banking, insurance, and military-industrial complex.

The next tier don't have this level of power and consequently derive their power from an allignment with one or the other party. They are free to compete with one another to wrestle for temporary power.... as long as they don't tamper with the system too much that it has consequences for the top tier. This is the level where your typical politician is..... they understand the game and act as the annointed frontman for their side in exchange for a piece of the action. The power at this tier is basically in determining how the crumbs will be distributed to the lower level. This level includes all the political constituency that actually have the ears of their elected representatives....the special interests.... that have money and/or voting power to make their wills heard and actually shape policy decisions.

The lowest tier are the sheeple. They generally understand their lot, realizing the system is stacked against them, and consequently allign with the candidate of their choice in the hopes that some of the campaign promises eventually trickle down to their level (welfare programs, tax reductions, etc.). Their perceived power is in the ability to decide where the majority of the crumbs will land.

Ron Paul, his candidacy and following, represents the whistleblowers.... the people that have awoken to the realization that the system doesn't have to be this way.... that "radical" changes can be made to adjust the playing field to make it more consistent with the government our forefathers originally devised. This line of thinking represents a major threat to the way of life for the power brokers at the top levels.... and, consequently, must be squelched in order to maintain that power. The only way that a white knight movement of this nature succeeds is if: 1) the top levels weren't really motivated by greed and personal interest and truly desired a better system; or 2) it becomes the will of the masses and therefore a political mandate to clean house at every level. Given the obvious blackouts and distortions by the MSM, I'd say #1 is pretty much out of the question. And, given RP's poll numbers, not enough people have awoken for #2 to occur.

 

[WilliamC]

Forget VP. Ron Paul as Secretary of the Treasury! This is doable folks...

Uhhh.....in case you forgot, Bush fired his first Sec. Treasury because he wouldn't lie about the debt crisis.

No, the Republican's need to nominate Ron Paul or be prepared to lose the White House in November.

 

[Paulitical Correctness]

A short and to the point "What the fuck..?" will suffice.

 

[Tidewise]

Why would Mitt Romney, an establishment republican candidate, want to have anything to do with Ron Paul?! By the GOP's way of thinking, RP is the anti-christ....their worst nightmare....a rebel-rouser that wants people to wake up and think for themselves. Trust dirknb when he tells you that that will NEVER happen.

You have to look at the situation from an understanding of the hierarchy of power. A rather oversimplified explanation works like this:

The most powerful group (the power elite) are skimming the cream off the top and don't really care which party is in power.... they will make their money regardless. Their only motivation is to ensure that the system continues to function as designed. These interests include the global corporations, the banking, insurance, and military-industrial complex.

The next tier don't have this level of power and consequently derive their power from an allignment with one or the other party. They are free to compete with one another to wrestle for temporary power.... as long as they don't tamper with the system too much that it has consequences for the top tier. This is the level where your typical politician is..... they understand the game and act as the annointed frontman for their side in exchange for a piece of the action. The power at this tier is basically in determining how the crumbs will be distributed to the lower level. This level includes all the political constituency that actually have the ears of their elected representatives....the special interests.... that have money and/or voting power to make their wills heard and actually shape policy decisions.

The lowest tier are the sheeple. They generally understand their lot, realizing the system is stacked against them, and consequently allign with the candidate of their choice in the hopes that some of the campaign promises eventually trickle down to their level (welfare programs, tax reductions, etc.). Their perceived power is in the ability to decide where the majority of the crumbs will land.

Ron Paul, his candidacy and following, represents the whistleblowers.... the people that have awoken to the realization that the system doesn't have to be this way.... that "radical" changes can be made to adjust the playing field to make it more consistent with the government our forefathers originally devised. This line of thinking represents a major threat to the way of life for the power brokers at the top levels.... and, consequently, must be squelched in order to maintain that power. The only way that a white knight movement of this nature succeeds is if: 1) the top levels weren't really motivated by greed and personal interest and truly desired a better system; or 2) it becomes the will of the masses and therefore a political mandate to clean house at every level. Given the obvious blackouts and distortions by the MSM, I'd say #1 is pretty much out of the question. And, given RP's poll numbers, not enough people have awoken for #2 to occur.

+1776

 

[Tidewise]

Ron Paul will never, ever be VP to Romney. Even if he were offered the position (which would never happen) Ron Paul could not bring himself to campaign on Romney's ridiculous, establishment-serving "plans."

 

[The Machine]

You don't get it.

This is how you need to start viewing it. This election is about Ron Paul vs. everyone else. Clinton, Romney, Obama, McCain, Edwards, Huckabee and Giuliani are ON THE SAME TEAM.

RON PAUL WILL NEVER BE PAIRED WITH ONE OF THE ENEMY. ALL OF THE MEDIA-ANNOINTED "FRONTRUNNERS" ARE THE ENEMY.

To speculate about Ron Paul being paired up with any of them IS A TOTAL AND COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME.

I wish more people would understand this. I'd speculate that the folks who are in their 30's and 40's and are now voting for the first time, get it. The people with the "Ron Paul Cured My Apathy" signs most likely understand the situation. Why are so many on this forum still in denial?

No, I wouldn't vote for a Romney/Paul ticket, because it isn't gonna happen!