Ron should say "government" and "federal government," not "we" and "America"

[Publicani]

Ron should change a lot of words and ways he tries to explain certain issues or philosophies but unfortunately Ron is, as much as I love the man, a stubborn old fart who is stuck in his ways and will never change.

I hate the way you said it, but i think you are right.

 

[SonofThunder]

I definitely agree that we will more or less all suffer from what they do. But so do bunches of other people around the world whom nobody would consider constituents of the regime in DC.

As for paying for the debt, I don't think the debt will ever be fully paid. At some point it will be repudiated one way or another. In the mean time, we already are paying for it, since the depreciation of our money that it causes is a tax that we pay as soon as that money gets spent, not later when the debts get paid off.

I don't accept the definition of our government as "We the People." I see that as propaganda to legitimize the regime that the Constitution established, similar to the way North Korea refers to itself as a republic.

To add to this line of thinking, (and excuse me if I go full on Spooner here) I think it is totally and absolutely ridiculous to say that "we" are responsible for what the government does. If this election process hasn't shown you that we don't control who we get to pick from in elections, then there's no hope.

More important than that though, I wasn't even born when most of the freedom killing legislation was passed in this country. SO how the F is that my fault? I wasn't around in 1913. I wasn't here to vote for someone who would vote against the War and Emergency Powers act of 1933. I wasn't born when the DHHS was instituted. My parents were just getting into college when Nixon closed the gold window.

All of these things build upon themselves and generate the leviathan state that we have today. So just how in the F do you say that the actions of the government are my fault?

 

[Aden]

This is from the Fox Iowa debate on December 16th.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNfruyVGOe0&

He needs to make the federal government the bad guy. Not “America,” “we” or “us.”

Paul’s answer:
“We ought to really sit back and think and not jump the gun and believe that we are going to be attacked. That’s how we got into that useless war in Iraq and lost so much in Iraq.”

Better answer:
“We ought to really sit back and think and not jump the gun and believe that we are going to be attacked. That’s how the government tricked us into a useless war in Iraq and we lost so much in Iraq.”


Paul’s answer:
“Yes. All we’re doing is promoting their desire to have it… How do we treat people with a nuclear weapon? With a lot more respect. What did we do with Libya? We talked to them we talked them out of their nuclear weapon and then we killed him.”

Better answer:
“Yes. All our government is doing is promoting their desire to have it… How do they treat people with a nuclear weapon? With a lot more respect. What did they do with Libya? The Bush Administration talked to them and talked them out of their nuclear weapon, and then the Obama Administartion killed him.”


Paul’s answer:
“They don’t come here to attack us because we’re free and prosperous. Did they go to Switzerland and Sweden? I mean that’s absurd. If you think that’s the reason we have no chance of winning this. They come here and explicitly explain it to us—CIA has explained it to us—they come here and want to do us harm because we’re bombing them… Why were we flying a drone over Iran? Why do we have to bomb so many countries? Why do we have 900 bases in 130 countries? We’re totally bankrupt. How are you going to rebuild a military when you have no money? How are we going to take care of the people? I think this wild goal to have another war in the name of defense is the dangerous thing, the danger is really us overreacting and we need a strong national defense, and we need to only go to war with a declaration of war instead of just carelessly flouting it and starting these wars so often… And your trying to dramatize this that we have to go and treat Iran like we’ve treated Iraq and kill a million Iraqis and 8,000 Americans since we went to war.”

Better answer:
“They don’t come here to attack us because we’re free and prosperous. Did they go to Switzerland and Sweden? I mean that’s absurd. If you think that’s the reason we have no chance of winning this. They come here and explicitly explain it to us—CIA has explained it to us—they come here and want to do us harm because our government is bombing them… why was Obama flying a drone over Iran? Why does he have to bomb so many countries? Why does our government have 900 bases in 130 countries? The government is bankrupting us. How are we going to rebuild a military when we have no money? How are we going to take care of the people? I think this wild goal to have another war in the name of defense is the dangerous thing. The danger is really our government overreacting and we need a strong national defense, but our government needs to only go to war with a declaration of war instead of just carelessly flouting it and starting these wars so often… and your trying to dramatize this so that our government has to go and treat Iran like they’ve treated Iraq and killed a million Iraqis and 8,000 Americans since they took us to war.”

 

[tempest]

Good thread.

It's time to get more sharp. Message is most important but delivery cannot be discounted.

Ron should say "government" and "federal government," not "we" and "America"

Yup.

Even if one doesn't believe it won't matter (or it won't help us) one thing is for sure: it won't hurt us.

 

[dude58677]

Just like what John Stossel does.

 

[Aden]

bump before the debates. I know Paul's crew watches this site!

 

[Aden]

Bump. Some of Paul's language in the last debate was absolutely horrible. Make the feds the enemy tonight!!!! Not "America."

 

[centure7]

+rep

After about a year of thinking these things through, I have certainly adopted exactly what you are talking about. When someone says "we" instead of "the federal government", I nearly always catch them and correct them.

 

[sirgonzo420]

Agreed!

 

[nasaal]

Should but never never never ever ever will. He is who he has been since at leas the 70s and will never change. That is a great thing, and to be honest if he worded things better, we probably wouldn't trust him so much.

 

[Butchie]

Should but never never never ever ever will. He is who he has been since at leas the 70s and will never change. That is a great thing, and to be honest if he worded things better, we probably wouldn't trust him so much.

That's a cop out, I'd still trust him, even moreso because I'd realize he understands you have to know your audience, communicating is a big part of being a leader, some continue to confuse changing the delivery with changing the message.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Agree w/OP...+1 rep!