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Ron Paul's Rifles - photos only please!
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speciallyblend
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i will post mine once i get home but it is not that fancy for all the firearm fans.
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RickBelmont
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Not as worthless as a 5.56mm round in a short barrel under 14"Unless you have magazines and ammo to fill them the gun is useless.
That weapon pictured is basically a .22 that will destroy your hearing.
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I agree about the short barrel....plus you have an NFA item to boot. WHY?!? Register a gun with the ATF and basically give them the right to search and seize it anytime, no thanks. I don't trust my government and you shouldn't either.
Do this instead, buy an 80% lower (google if you don't know what i'm talking about) pay cash of course for it and all of the other parts. Everything can be bought at a gun show cash no questions no background checks no nothing! Finish it yourself using the jigs and a drill press. It is important that you finish it yourself for it to be legal. There is a great tutorial over at cncguns.com. Now you have a legal completely unregistered no serial number AR assault rifle. As long as you can legally own a gun and as long as you haven't broke any state laws it's completely OK.
Do this instead, buy an 80% lower (google if you don't know what i'm talking about) pay cash of course for it and all of the other parts. Everything can be bought at a gun show cash no questions no background checks no nothing! Finish it yourself using the jigs and a drill press. It is important that you finish it yourself for it to be legal. There is a great tutorial over at cncguns.com. Now you have a legal completely unregistered no serial number AR assault rifle. As long as you can legally own a gun and as long as you haven't broke any state laws it's completely OK.
No, a 22 won't penetrate body armor. The 5.56mm 62 grain bullet is moving at around 2000-2200 fps out of the 7.5 inch barrel.
It is a pistol / handgun not a title II weapon. The government can come and take anything they want, at any time.
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I don't think it would be able to penetrate body armor. Sometime ago I read a report where an 8" barreled AR could not even penetrate a soft Kevlar vest. What type of body armor are you talking about, and at what range?
There is some acceptable point blank lethality from 10.5", but things drop off after that. I believe you need 2700fps for proper fragmentation. You could use 62grain TAP2 ammo to get a few more fps I suppose.
Here is what Hornady published for the 8.38" barrel (considering that a7.5" would have a couple of hundred fps less):
40gr TAP: MV 2641fps SD: 10
Total Penetration:5"
Entry(Neck): 0.5"
Depth to Max Cavity: 2"
Max Temporary Cavity" 4.25"
55gr TAP: MV 2245fps SD: 30
Total Penetration:10"
Entry(Neck): 0.5"
Depth to Max Cavity: 2.88"
Max Temporary Cavity" 3.88"
Retained Weight: 32.7gr
60gr TAP: MV 2155fps SD: 13
Total Penetration:11.75"
Entry(Neck): 0.75"
Depth to Max Cavity: 4"
Max Temporary Cavity" 3.25"
Retained Weight: 28.5gr
Those numbers aren't too good. One thing to consider as well, that barrel is far too short to stabilize a larger bullet.
Stoner designed things to work optimum in a 16" barrel. 14.5" Would probably be the smallest acceptable for that round.
With that said, I still wouldn't want to get shot by one.
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Wonder what my 75gr molys'll do out of a 20" barrel?
I'm saving for a LMT308 anyway...
Fragment !!
Find some steel core stuff ... It's around, if you look hard enough.
Lewis Machine = Jealous.
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Sure, if they're willing to accept one or more of their guys being killed in the process. That's the whole point behind the Second Amendment.
If you mean with respect to current soft body armor (Level IIIA), those bullets will barely even be slowed down by it, at least at fairly close ranges. Tests have shown that 77-grain open-tip match bullets out of a 16" barrel will defeat Level IIIA armor and have almost the same performance in ballistic gel as the same rounds fired without any intervening armor.GunnyFreedom said:
Still, when it comes to small calibers, it's tough to beat M855 for piercing armor (unless you have AP in .308 or .30-06, of course). M855 will go through steel or hard polyethylene armor that will stop 7.62 NATO, since the latter has a lead core. A lot of people are skeptical of this, but it's absolutely true. But M855 is reputed to have inconsistent terminal effects, so there's a trade-off.
I've been eyeballing that thing too. I really like the quick-change barrel. But the Larue OBR in .308 is also very tempting, and I suspect it's more accurate.
Steel core 5.56 (M855 or XM855) is everywhere, and I hope every freedom-lover with an AR-15 or other 5.56 rifle stocks up on as much of it as possible.azxd said:
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