Ron Paul's Rifles - photos only please!

[jkm1864]

It is 1/12 - the military went to 1/7 in 1985 with the M16A2 and this is essentially a ca. 1970 weapon. The barrel is a post war replacement (FN instead of Colt), and the lower is from a small company that makes mil-spec (notice the gray and not black) lowers.

Is the lower a LRBArms lower?

 

[jkm1864]

Well the good thing of using a 1/12 twist is the bullet will destabilize when it hits the body and do horrible damage. The only bad thing is its not accurate at long ranges and the bullets tend to tumble.

 

[Pericles]

Is the lower a LRBArms lower?

No, LRBArms lowers are A2 type, not A1 - http://www.nodakspud.com/AR Lowers.htmhttp://www.nodakspud.com

 

[Gideon]

Its no rifle...

...but she sure is pretty!

Workmanship courtesy of Richard Celata - KT Ordnance.

 

[Gideon]

Bump Fire!

I'll post new pictures soon!

 

[Acala]

Class 3?

I am considering purchasing an uzi.. anyone have any experience with one?

An Uzi is a decent submachine gun, although it would not be my first choice.

A semi-auto (castrated) Uzi is, IMHO, a joke. Not sure which you mean.

A semi-auto Uzi is a heavy, awkward, expensive handgun-in-a-subgun-body that is inferior in almost every way to at least 50 different 9mm handguns easily available to you.

Not that I have a strong opinion on the subject.

 

[acptulsa]

A semi-auto Uzi is a heavy, awkward, expensive handgun-in-a-subgun-body that is inferior in almost every way to at least 50 different 9mm handguns easily available to you.

Except, of course, mag capacity and ease of modification...

 

[Acala]

?

Except, of course, mag capacity and ease of modification...

Yes, I suppose you can more easily get a higher capacity mag for an Uzi than most 9mm handguns. But that just makes it MORE awkward and heavy. Why would you want a 50 round magazine in a semi-auto handgun? Get any 9mm double stack with two extra mags and you have the same firepower but you can carry it in a holster and conceal it.

What modification are you talking about? I suppose it is easier to hang a bunch of flashlights and lasers and such on an Uzi just because there is more room. But why? It is still going to be a gun that was designed big and heavy to fire full auto but has had its nads snipped.

You can't comfortably carry an Uzi concealed or in a holster. You have to carry it on a sling. But it doesn't have the firepower or accuracy of a rifle. It is too heavy to shoot like a handgun so you have to use the folding stock to hit anything. And now you are in NFA territory unless you put a long barrel on it. So then you essentially have an underpowered, awkward rifle.

I don't get it. To me a semi-auto Uzi is like one of those kit cars that make a VW look like a Ferrari. It might LOOK like a Ferrari, but when you step on the gas, its a VW.

But maybe I am missing something.

 

[ghengis86]

wife just picked up a s&w .38 special airlight today. aren't i lucky?

 

[CasualApathy]

I find this thread totally bizarre. To a libertarian a gun should be a quite disgusting thing - being desined for manslaughter and all. I can understand the need to have one but not the delight some of you show while discussing your instruments of death.

 

[ghengis86]

I find this thread totally bizarre. To a libertarian a gun should be a quite disgusting thing - being desined for manslaughter and all. I can understand the need to have one but not the delight some of you show while discussing your instruments of death.

points duly noted. though i would point out that the non-agression principal is consitent with self defense and some of the expressions are rooted in the great pride that one acheives when one has prepared oneself to defend and preserve their lives and the lives of their families.

"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun."
Dalai Lama

 

[JohnMeridith]

I find this thread totally bizarre. To a libertarian a gun should be a quite disgusting thing - being desined for manslaughter and all. I can understand the need to have one but not the delight some of you show while discussing your instruments of death.

to a libertarian a gun shoud be a disgusting thing??? What are you on right now?

 

[Pennsylvania]

I find this thread totally bizarre. To a libertarian a gun should be a quite disgusting thing - being desined for manslaughter and all. I can understand the need to have one but not the delight some of you show while discussing your instruments of death.

I'll give you this: you've got some balls posting that on this forum of all places. Have you ever fired a gun before though?

 

[Pericles]

"Of all the lands in Europe, the Swiss are the best armed and the most free."
Niccolo Machiavelli

 

[Acala]

Understood

I find this thread totally bizarre. To a libertarian a gun should be a quite disgusting thing - being desined for manslaughter and all. I can understand the need to have one but not the delight some of you show while discussing your instruments of death.

I agree that all liberty lovers should abhor and avoid violence at ALMOST all cost. But the "ALMOST" is key.

Using violence in self-defense is the lesser of the evils in that situation. History demonstrates that the need for self-defense has been constant. Therefore the need for free men to be ready to use violence has always been with us and is with us today. Be armed or be enslaved is a pithy but accurate statement of life on earth.

I agree with you that delight in killing is a bad thing. But delight in the aesthetic, historic, engineering, political, freedom-preserving, and sporting aspects of firearms is a different mater entirely. You can be a peace-loving person (I am) and still be very interested in firearms (I am). Indeed, a case can be made that if you really love peace, the more you should want people to be armed. Helpless people create predators. Armed people create peace. Armed GOVERNMENTS create war.

You can love guns but hate war and violence. Just like you can hate war but support the troops.

 

[Merk]

I find this thread totally bizarre. To a libertarian a gun should be a quite disgusting thing - being desined for manslaughter and all. I can understand the need to have one but not the delight some of you show while discussing your instruments of death.

Liberty = peaceful existence? Not... Liberty = freedom and freedom can be dangerous.

Here is one of my favorite Heinlein quotes that goes right to the point of this...

"The price of freedom is the willingness to do sudden battle anywhere, any time and with utter recklessness."

-Robert A. Heinlein

This one is good too.

"The police of a state should never be stronger or better armed than the citizenry. An armed citizenry, willing to fight, is the foundation of civil freedom."

-Robert Heinlein

 

[Gideon]

Bearing the original Ron Paul's Rifle...

I am peacefully armed.

I have significantly upgraded my load bearing gear and optics since this photo was taken back in 2006.

I also adhere to 4GW.

Still prefer Tiger Stripes though, especially during the Cali-fall.

 

[Spot the Fed]

I am peacefully armed.

I have significantly upgraded my load bearing gear and optics since this photo was taken back in 2006.

I also adhere to 4GW.

Still prefer Tiger Stripes though, especially during the Cali-fall.

Sorry man, but you look like a bass player for a bad 80s big hair band!

 

[Pericles]

More photos needed! Here is a tease:

Got a line on an early Colt gray A2 upper which means a 1986 style A2 neede to be built, and I'm visualising an A4 or an M4 with the black bits, but the vision is not quite clear at this time. BTW, the 20 inch government profile 1 in 7 twist barrels still seem to be in short supply from the better makers.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I find this thread totally bizarre. To a libertarian a gun should be a quite disgusting thing - being desined for manslaughter and all. I can understand the need to have one but not the delight some of you show while discussing your instruments of death.

This is absurd. Having a gun does not make one a murderer, secondly, using a weapon in self-defense, or in defense of Liberty against a Tyrannical Government is not antithetical to Libertarian beliefs, but is an actual TENENT!

If Thomas Jefferson was alive today he would be the poster child for every Libertarian, much like Ron Paul is today, but by now he would have all ready instigated the insurrection to return us to our Constitutional Republic. Of course, times are different today and we must work within the system until the chains of slavery tie us down so much that we have no other choice. That is still a ways away and no one here is advocating that. You will know the day that happens, possibly if America tries to surrender its sovereignty to a one world central bank, or if the coming Police state starts to openly defy 1st and 2nd amendments....or if a state starts to use the Kentucky and Virginia Resolution 1798 by Thomas Jefferson which gave states the right of Nullification and the Fed came in and finally made it openly known that it is indeed a parasitic tyrant needing to be purged. I'm still baffled why no one uses Nullification....for all the talks of States Rights coming back up, no one has the actual balls to do anything. Sycophants the lot.

Without Liberty there can be no Libertarians. We are peaceful anti-war (In the sense of pre-emptive wars, interventionism, and all wars that are not strictly self-defense with an invasion or attack on American soil) people who would like to trade with everyone and talk with everyone. I think it speaks volumes on our Government and of all Governments that people such as ourselves must keep vigilance and armed to keep what little Liberty we have left.... You are advocating slavery, we are advocating Liberty, and Liberty to a Libertarian is a matter of life and death.