Ron Paul's low polling evidence that a constitutional republic can't be maintained?

[rodent]

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[ctb619]

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." - Thomas Jefferson to Charles Yancey, 1816

 

[noxagol]

The product of the government indoctrination centers.

 

[Lord Xar]

yup.... and with the co-mingling of education curriculums now going on our kids will KNOW LESS of America... This is one of the reasons Bush wants Amnesty.. because those 20+million illegals have NO TRUE LOVE for america. We are seen as a money syphon. They don't know about the history.. so, you couple that with our own kids that have no clue.... man o' man, you have a society that knows nothing but what the government tells them. A population of uninformed will more than welcome fascism or socialism...

that is my take, at least.

 

[Hamburglar]

Most people are stupid. But most people don't vote in the primaries. All we need is a committed minority.

 

[walt]

can we engage teachers on this?

 

[inibo]

can we engage teachers on this?

I guess it would depend on how they answer these questions:

It would be wonderful to see the U.S. Constitution taught in the public schools. I will believe such a course of education is underway when someone can show me a list of study questions being presented to today’s students, including:

* Article I Section 8 grants to Congress alone the power “to declare war.” Did President Bush seek and declare a congressional “Declaration of War” against Iraq? If not, did he violate the Constitution when he sent troops to attack that nation?
* Article I Section 8 says the Congress can exercise “exclusive Legislation in all cases” over the District of Columbia, and may “exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be …” May it exercise such exclusive authority over Yucca Mountain – building a nuclear waste dump there without state permission, for example – even though it can show no bill of sale, nor written consent of the Nevada Legislature to allow it to purchase that land? Where in the Constitution does that authority arise?
* Article I Section 10 says “No state shall … make any thing but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts.” What was the founders’ experience with fiat paper currency that led to the insertion of that clause? Does the widespread acceptance of “federal reserve notes,” not convertible into gold and silver, violate this provision? Why or why not?
* The Second Amendment says the right of the people to keep and bear arms “shall not be infringed.” Do background checks, waiting periods, $200 taxes, and requirements that a machine-gun purchase be approved by your local chief of police constitute “infringements” of these rights? Where in the Constitution are such restrictions authorized?
* The Fourth Amendment says a house cannot be searched without a warrant “particularly describing … the person or things to be seized.” Yet police routinely seize firearms found during searches, even when no firearms are specifically listed on the search warrant. Is this constitutional? Can the courts waive such restrictions without going through the amendment process stipulated in Article V?
* A constitutional amendment (the 18th, since repealed) was required to outlaw alcohol nationwide. When was the constitutional amendment ratified which authorizes the similar outlawing of marijuana, cocaine, and opium? What is its number?
* The 13th amendment says “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.” Are compulsory schooling or military conscription consistent with this provision?


http://www.lewrockwell.com/suprynowicz/suprynowicz47.html

 

[bygone]

 

[hard@work]

The battle is over the minds of men. We began the fight in 1776. No one ever said it would be easy or that it was over. You are going to die someday. What will you have achieved for your fellow man by this time?

Devil's advocate or not, it is irrelevant to ponder anything less than the full liberation of the human spirit.

 

[Syren123]

yup.... and with the co-mingling of education curriculums now going on our kids will KNOW LESS of America... This is one of the reasons Bush wants Amnesty.. because those 20+million illegals have NO TRUE LOVE for america. We are seen as a money syphon. They don't know about the history.. so, you couple that with our own kids that have no clue.... man o' man, you have a society that knows nothing but what the government tells them. A population of uninformed will more than welcome fascism or socialism...

that is my take, at least.

And your take is correct. Living in Los Angeles, you see first hand the effect of unrestricted immigration of people with NO STAKE and NO INTEREST in your country, your culture, or anything other than what's in it for them. That mental midget journalist Ruben Navarette sums it up like this: people don't come to the US for a new identity. They come here for the economic opportunity.

Oh that's just great. And we wonder why nobody knows squat about US history or government or our tradition of self-sufficiency and WHY our country was better than every other one on the planet...

It's part of the plan of global integration. There's no other logical explanation.

 

[Syren123]

can we engage teachers on this?

Uh...maybe. Most teachers are products of the lefty liberal colleges they attended (which is all of them) and the whole socialist leaning culture than permeates the education profession. Believe me, most of them are bleeding heart socialists. Every once in a while you run across one or two that are clear thinkers, but they are a minority and they are frowned upon (usually) by the administration.

But...I have hope that like minded educators (like me) can create an alternative to the marxist curriculum taught in schools through charter schools or reworked curriculum made available through private companies.

 

[jmunjr]

Economics: People do not understand how the free market works. They really believe when the government creates a program, it's "free" because the costs aren't up front. They think other "greedy" people who deserve to be ripped off are the ones who will be forced to pay. They think this is okay, but don't realize that the people who pay are them.

I disagree a bit, the people who pay the MOST are the wealthy.

 

[Syren123]

I disagree a bit, the people who pay the MOST are the wealthy.

Taxes, yes but as far as inflation, it is definitely the poor and the middle class who are affected the most by the erosion of the dollar's buying power as they have fewer overall dollars.

 

[max]

i have always believed that the Founding Fathers made a major screw-up when they turned over their masterpiece to the sheeple. It's not the idea of the constitutional republic that was bad...but the act of encharging its safe keeping to the people was doomed at the start.

In hindsight, Washington should have been named King, and the other founders should have set themselves up as a council of learned elders who would pick their own like minded successors as well as the new king. The duty of the elders would be to make sure the republic was preserved.

this is what plato envisioned. As paradoxical as it may sound, liberty can only be maintained by the strong hand of benevolent and wise rulers. The surest route to destroying liberty is to turn its safekeeping over to the soccer moms and nascar fans.

 

[bygone]

 

[stevedasbach]

The American Revolution was won by a dedicated minority.

 

[MGreen]

If they can't find the US on a map, I can't imagine how they'd find their nearest polling place.

 

[micahnelson]

If they can't find the US on a map, I can't imagine how they'd find their nearest polling place.

Dems and Repubs bus them there...

 

[Paulitician]

Ron Paul's low polling is evidence that he's simply unknown and not mainstream enough for the general public.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I disagree a bit, the people who pay the MOST are the wealthy.

Most? As a percentage? Or in total dollars? Who do you think of as wealthy? The middle-class? The top 50%? The top 2%?

Who makes the best use of loopholes and tax-evading techniques? How about the under-ground economy of people who don't report income?

Q-Who pays the most in taxes?
A-The honest people.

Income taxes are not "fair", and never will be. The Oligarchy influences tax-code to create and maintain loopholes just for them. You will never stop them from doing that. The underground economy will always exist. Thus, it will never be fair to the "honest" taxpayer.

Abolish income tax. Abolish the IRS...