"Ron Paul's Issue With Style Over Substance" - US News & World Report

[AuH20]

Well then you should've educated him on the truth instead of letting him pout.

I told him that Ron goes off on tangents from time to time, but he's one of the few who's authentic.

 

[eleganz]

I told him that Ron goes off on tangents from time to time, but he's one of the few who's authentic.

But you said your co-worker was unhappy about his foreign policy response, you should've let him know (in a nicer way of course) he can be unhappy with the truth but don't confuse the truth with popular belief.

 

[AuH20]

But you said your co-worker was unhappy about his foreign policy response, you should've let him know (in a nicer way of course) he can be unhappy with the truth but don't confuse the truth with popular belief.

But it wasn't truth. It was the bullshit about killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis for fun. You know the stupid stuff he says. The message of non-interventionism is strong & sound. The sensationalistic hyperbole not so much.

 

[eleganz]

But it wasn't truth. It was the bullshit about killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis for fun. You know the stupid stuff he says. The message of non-interventionism is strong & sound. The sensationalistic hyperbole not so much.

Actually it is true, pre-9/11 Iraqi bombings killed hundreds of thousands, sanctions did as well too. The CIA, Pentagon and DoD have come out to say that our foreign policy was a factor in 9/11.

 

[Bruno]

But it wasn't truth. It was the bullshit about killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis for fun. You know the stupid stuff he says. The message of non-interventionism is strong & sound. The sensationalistic hyperbole not so much.

Are you saying Ron said America did it for fun? If so, direct quote. He never said that.

You are making up stuff that Ron never said. Stop it.

 

[AuH20]

Actually it is true, pre-9/11 Iraqi bombings killed hundreds of thousands, sanctions did as well too. The CIA, Pentagon and DoD have come out to say that our foreign policy was a factor in 9/11.

You're attributing deaths indirectly? Secondly, these hundreds of thousands were all civilians minding their own business?
Secondly, where is Ron getting hundreds of thousands bombed plural, when the civilian casualties at best for the civil war fallout are 150,000?

 

[ronnilingus]

A fair and balanced article that says a lot of the things we say on these forums regarding Dr. Paul's debate style. A useful and interesting read.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/Ke.../13/ron-pauls-issue-with-style-over-substance

i completely agree with this, i've gotten several of my friends into ron paul by giving them the revolution: a manifesto but they've said to me ron paul just doesnt come across the same way in the debates that he does in his book. don't get me wrong, we all still support him but i can't help but wonder why he can't be as concise and awesome as he comes off in his writings.

 

[AuH20]

i completely agree with this, i've gotten several of my friends into ron paul by giving them the revolution: a manifesto but they've said to me ron paul just doesnt come across the same way in the debates that he does in his book. don't get me wrong, we all still support him but i can't help but wonder why he can't be as concise and awesome as he comes off in his writings.

In terms of writings, Ron Paul has no peer. On stage, not so much.

 

[musicmax]

You're attributing deaths indirectly? Secondly, these hundreds of thousands were all civilians minding their own business?
Secondly, where is Ron getting hundreds of thousands bombed plural, when the civilian casualties at best for the civil war fallout are 150,000?

Paul conflated the bombings with the sanctions. He does that :-(

The deaths from the sanctions were all "civilians minding their own business". Paul was citing the three primary US policies identified by OBL in his 1998 fatwa: 1. Sanctions against Iraq that are estimated to have resulted in the deaths of half a million civilians; 2. Military presence in the Islamic holy lands of Saudi Arabia; 3. Unconditional support of Israel's campaigns against Palestinians. (see additional details at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motives_for_the_September_11_attacks)

The libertarian/Taftian would object to all three, not because they were identified by OBL, but because they run counter to the Founders' prescription for foreign policy encapsulated thusly by Thomas Jefferson: "free trade, honest friendship and neutrality with all nations; entangling alliances with none".

 

[speciallyblend]

the problem is that given the favorable environment and given his expertise, he should be much higher than 12%. This climate is tailor made for his message, but he still thinks he's running for the Libertarian Party nod.

nonsense and i have noticed the last few days you have a stick shoved up your ars. the problem is the corrupt gop not ron paul!!

 

[cucucachu0000]

Peaked? Peaked, AuH20? (laughs) Let me tell you something. He hasn't even begun to peak. And when He does peak, you'll know. Because He's gonna peak so hard that everybody in the world is gonna feel it.

Sunny in Philly my fav

 

[Badger Paul]

Gee, and I thought you said he peaked at six percent.

 

[VoluntaryAmerican]

Modern Debates aren't a good format for articulating a real message. He's the only one doing this. So yes, he seems to ramble. Give Ron a debate format that isn't so condensed and he would shine. But do the people who control the debates want an articulate and intelligent debate? No.

 

[BUSHLIED]

Ron is the least polished of the candidates and outmatched in many ways by his rivals when it comes to the TV debates. Almost always they give him unfair questions that are designed specifically for him to hurt him. So he has to go on the defensive, then when he has to explain something like FP, you have to give a background piece to explain your position. These debates formats are not good for a man that is head and shoulders above the rest, that has a lot of knowledge to share in such a short period of time. That being said, he campaign speeches are not that much better when he has the time...I attribute all this to a lack of preparation....it is my sense that Ron may at most have a piece of paper with a few talking points but that is it...he is much better from the floor of the House than anywhere is else...the part that I most agree with is that Ron Paul will be Ron Paul and he will hit a ceiling shortly, as I have predicted he will be polling at 18% nationally just before IA...I would be shocked if he polls at 20% nationally. The only way he would surge past 20% is if Bachmann drops and endorses him or Palin...OR the media gives him a fair shake down the line at some of these debates..maybe FOX will redeem themselves in the google debate...the reason why I think he can't break 20% is because he needs to poll much higher with seniors and right now 5% with seniors is not getting him over 20%...his campaign is running on the youth vote and independents that were once republicans...or libertarian crossovers like myself. At most they make up about 25% of the party and Bachmann/Cain clearly have pulled some of those voters in their camps.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Where in the quote does it put all this shit on Ron Paul?

Perhaps you should read it again.

What price are you paying, "LibertyEagle"?

Is that supposed to be an insult? lol

 

[TIMB0B]

Well, his approach didn't seem to deter me, because I LISTENED to his message. That's what got me on the RP bandwagon. This nonsense of him not sounding Presidential or what have you is weak. That in no way should have you voting for someone that doesn't stand on principle. Someone should explain to the author how Obama was such a great orator, but look where it got us.

 

[LibertyEagle]

But it wasn't truth. It was the bullshit about killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis for fun. You know the stupid stuff he says. The message of non-interventionism is strong & sound. The sensationalistic hyperbole not so much.

He told the truth. Our government did kill one heck of a lot of Iraqis. This site says that over 100K Iraqi civilians were killed. But, where are you getting this "for fun" stuff. Come on, you know he never said that.

I'm thinkin' you are just frustrated like I am because of the way he phrased what he said. Hopefully, he will improve on that and this will all blow over.

 

[Aratus]

That article is dead on. He's peaked at 12 percent thanks to this persona he's embraced.

this may sound like a totally irrelevant factoid, but a swing of 5% of the vote elected bob turner to NY state d.c house seat.

even if the article is 100% accurate and the good doctor's persona belongs to academia even more than woodrow wilson's did,

the house seat switching parties is up there with scott brown trouncing heartily martha coakley by several percent in his romp.

the seat was a solid very new deal Democrat stronghold. this hints GOP year. let's hope doctor ron paul is the man of the hour.

 

[Aratus]

i repeat. mr. bob turner got elected to anthony weiner's old house seat. the odds are this new guy in the house
will not send out any cell phone photos of him in his own boxers in any hurry nor nude studies from the house gym.
we can debate style and substance or even mitt romney's continual flipflops but daggnabbbbbit its a GOP year!!!

 

[Flirple]

yawn. I remember waaaay back just a couple months ago when he peaked at 5%

Yep. Just like gold was in a bubble (according to the "experts") at $500, $1,000, $1,500....